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Bad shoe advice from a running shoe store.

admin — Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Does anyone here agree that the following suggestion was bad advice? I weighed 195 lbs when I bought a pair of Saucony Trigon2 response shoes. I told the shop I haven’t been running in a while and wasn’t too familiar with the shoes that where out. I just read on RW that the Trigon2 Response is for men 150-180 lbs. I’ve only got about 100 miles on them and my IT band has been kinda tight. I’ll prob get another pair just to test that theory. Not sure that the IT band is over use issue but I still question the advice for the response shoe for a 195 lb guy. Anyone else agree?

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I just read on RW that the

Trigon2 Response is for men 150-180 lbs. ____ i would question this assertion. i simply don’t believe it’s valid, i doubt saucony would suppor this assertion as well. they’re made up to size 14 and methinks there are a lot of people with a size 14 running shoe weigh more than 180 .lbs. w/the info you provided, imo/experience…i see no reason to say this is bad advice.

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No, I don’t agree. The only difference between the response and durable cushioning is that one has slightly stiffer rubber than the other. With their numbers, Saucony are appealing to the general principal that heavier runners should wear more durable shoes. I’ve worn a number of different pairs of shoes, and the Trigon RC is one of the sturdier ones. It’s not at all clear to me that the shoes had much to do with your injury because I don’t know anything about your training, but the advice isn’t self-evidently bad. Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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I weighed 195 lbs when I bought a pair of Saucony Trigon2 response shoes. I told the shop I haven’t been running in a while and wasn’t too familiar with the shoes that where out. I just read on RW that the Trigon2 Response is for men 150-180 lbs.

I wouldn’t consider RW an acceptable source for advice about anything, unless your goal is to run slow and get injured. You are much better off going to a good running store that will sell you a shoe for your particular running style. I’m in your weight class (I’m 6′4") and regularly wear shoes/spikes designed for smaller people. Beware that many so-called "insiders" in running are small and some "experts" will try to typecast you into a particular type of shoe for "heavy" runners simply based on your weight. You don’t want that; You want the proper shoe for YOUR running style. ITBS can be caused by having the wrong shoe or overpronation. You could even need orthotics. But it can also be caused by weak abs (common in distance runners), too much mileage too quickly, hard surfaces, and running downhill or on a cambered (slanted) surface. If you are having pain/injury problems, you can go back to the store that sold you the shoe and try to have them check the selection (if you went to a discount store, go to a real running store). You can go to a podiatrist (ask for one who is a runner). If you have ITBS problems, look at the FAQ here or go to a running store and look for a strap made for ITBS (if they don’t know what you’re talking about, go somewhere else). Lyndon "Speed Kills…It kills those that don’t have it!" –US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

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That you’re a dumbass? Yes. 15 lbs means nothing, you’ll lose it in a month anyways.

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<< ‘ll prob get another pair just to test that theory. Not sure that the IT band is over use issue but I still question the advice for the response shoe for a 195 lb guy. Anyone else agree? Kewl name, Greyhound! Bad advice, you ask? Why do you ask? _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please ping me!

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<< ones. It’s not at all clear to me that the shoes had much to do with your injury because I don’t know anything about your training, but the advice isn’t self-evidently bad. Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi Nonesuch, Unless contextualized. Just too random. Scene dog? Got ransome note, Delivered today ~ A suspicious male! _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please ping me!

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Indeed. Advice about advice. If the advice about the advice criticises the advice, then which is ill-advised — the advice, or is it the advice about the advice ? Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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<< I’m in your weight class (I’m 6′4") and regularly wear shoes/spikes designed for smaller people. Air Lyndon? You shoot hoops? Loop-de-loops? Astro sign? Once mine? !Be Warned! Sign says… "Midway along the journey of our life I woke to find myself in a dark wood, for I had wandered off from the straight path. How hard it is to tell what it was like, this wood of wilderness, savage and stubborn, (the thbought of it brings back all my old fears), a bitterplace! Death could scarce be bitterer. But if I could show the good that came of it I must talk…" — Dante, Translation, courtesy, Ms. Sayers. _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please ping me!

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Advice about advice. If the advice about the advice criticises the advice, then which is ill-advised — the advice, or is it the advice about the advice ?

Shun advice at any price, That’s what I call good advice. -Piet Hein, 1960something. Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cheers,

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<< Advice about advice. If the advice about the advice criticises the advice, then which is ill-advised — the advice, or is it the advice about the advice ?

Shun advice at any price, That’s what I call good advice. -Piet Hein, 1960something. Andy Cheers,

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I’ve been running about 3 months now and am up to a 15 mile week, I’ve been at 15 mile weeks for about 3 weeks. I backed off on my long run and have started doing stretches to resolve the knee pain. Can’t really tell if its working. Ran 3 miles on tues and thurs and 4 on wed. didn’t feel anything either day. Guess I’ll back off on the new shoes for a bit. It still seems like a pair made for liter people would wear out quicker on heavier people. Guess I’ll continue with reduced mileage for a a bit. Thanks for the advice. I did get the shoes from a true running store.

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Agree? The real question is, does anyone else care?

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Only after your runs, and even then stretching causes more injuries than it prevents or cures.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << ‘ll prob get another pair just to test that theory. Not sure that the IT band is over use issue but I still question the advice for the response shoe for a 195 lb guy. Anyone else agree? Kewl name, Greyhound! Bad advice, you ask? Why do you ask? Indeed. Advice about advice. If the advice about the advice criticises the advice, then which is ill-advised — the advice, or is it the advice about the advice ? Cheers,

If you know the difference between good advice and bad advice, you don’t need any advice. In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Maintainer – rec.running FAQ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-faq/ Mindful Running: http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

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Yeah, only after runs. I’ve heard that it may cause injuries but only if its done incorrectly.

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Rubber track vs. street

admin — Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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So I had been running on my city’s streets, sidewalks, etc. ~3 miles at a time. I switched to a rubberized track just for kicks. Found that I could really only do 1-1.5 miles, sometimes 2. The insides of my shins hurt really bad after a short while on the track. Tonight I moved back to running on streets. Did 2.6 miles, no pain at all. I seem to be able to run better, longer, whatever when I’m doing it on the street. On the track it certainly feels like I have more spring, and it seems like I’m going faster, but I get winded faster and my legs HURT. I thought rubber tracks would be easier to run on.

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I thought rubber tracks would be easier to run on.

Obviously not.

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Here’s my advice: don’t run on the rubber track anymore. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So I had been running on my city’s streets, sidewalks, etc. ~3 miles at a time. I switched to a rubberized track just for kicks. Found that I could really only do 1-1.5 miles, sometimes 2. The insides of my shins hurt really bad after a short while on the track. Tonight I moved back to running on streets. Did 2.6 miles, no pain at all. I seem to be able to run better, longer, whatever when I’m doing it on the street. On the track it certainly feels like I have more spring, and it seems like I’m going faster, but I get winded faster and my legs HURT. I thought rubber tracks would be easier to run on.

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It still will take some adjusting to get used to this. I’ve gotten a similar effect on my shins when wearing Saucony shoes for a long run. They add more spring to the step too. There is one other factor, the turns. They are sharper and much more frequent that just about any turns you might do on a street run. These observations won’t make it easier to run that track any sooner, but they might help you understand what’s happening. One final suggestion: if/when you return to the track, try using it as a different kind of training run than what you would do on a street run. Not necessarily speedwork, but simple things like running the straights and walking the curves. At least until the track causes you no pain. Enjoy the run! Ed.

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Firstly, you probably were running faster. The environment of the track creates a psychological pressure to perform. Why is that? It could be because of the association between the track and elite, hard-core, competitive sport. It could be that when you see that brick-colored oval and those white stripes, you can’t help but get psyched up. Secondly, your body mechanics vary with surface. It takes time to adjust to a new surface. The way your foot goes through the strike, and the way the muscles react is different. Because the surface is softer, your form might be more sloppy: you might be overstriding more and hitting with a heavier heel strike, feeling confident that the rubber will absorb the extra shock. However, you put an extra load on the muscles in your shin by doing that. Try to stick to the form that you have when you are running on pavement. Imagine that the rubber is really stone and run like that. Lastly, when you use well-cushioned trainers on a rubber track, the two materials don’t work very well together at all. The combination is very energy sapping. That could also help explain why you feel winded. I don’t do track running in trainers anymore, but use middle distance spikes exclusively. I’m not saying everyone should do that, but you might want to try *somewhat* harder shoes, like performance trainers.

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Good comments have been made already — if you can only do 1.5 miles before you need to stop, you are going way too fast. Slow down, then you won’t get winded as fast. Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Breaking in shoes quickly?

admin — Mon, 29 Mar 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Greetings. Have recently lamented the poorly-timed demise of the shoes I had planned to run this weekend’s 10-miler in. Failed to keep sufficiently accurate mileage records and the last several runs in them told me their time was up. Purchased new pair last week, same model I have run in for years and love (Saucony Shadow 6000). I typically overlap and don’t usually need to break something in fast, nor does this shoe, which fits me well, tend to require more than a few tens of miles to feel nice and comfy but with full support. However, with only 12 miles on the new pair to date and now into my taper, a few tens of miles of break-in isn’t an option and they’re still stiff enough to be a distraction (dull pain after a few miles from working against the lack of give, etc.). I’m thinking I’ll at least wear them all week anywhere they’re not inappropriate, and certainly for the last easy 3 on Wednesday. Anyone have any other ideas? Thanks, Kim

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings. Have recently lamented the poorly-timed demise of the shoes I had planned to run this weekend’s 10-miler in. Failed to keep sufficiently accurate mileage records and the last several runs in them told me their time was up. Purchased new pair last week, same model I have run in for years and love (Saucony Shadow 6000). I typically overlap and don’t usually need to break something in fast, nor does this shoe, which fits me well, tend to require more than a few tens of miles to feel nice and comfy but with full support. However, with only 12 miles on the new pair to date and now into my taper, a few tens of miles of break-in isn’t an option and they’re still stiff enough to be a distraction (dull pain after a few miles from working against the lack of give, etc.). I’m thinking I’ll at least wear them all week anywhere they’re not inappropriate, and certainly for the last easy 3 on Wednesday. Anyone have any other ideas?

You’re in a bit of a pickle with few options. Walking around in the shoes may loosen them up a bit, but we’re always told to not walk in running shoes–only run in them. Since the shoe is the same model as your old pair, you have better than 50% chance of success, so I wouldn’t sweat it too much. Typically, running shoes don’t need any break-in to speak of–not really like a pair of leather dress shoes–so if I were you, I would just put in whatever mileage you’re going to do this week and leave it at that. You should be fine. —

In search for the perfect running shoe (from Saucony)

admin — Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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I am 46, run about 10-12 miles per week, weigh about 184 (I need to lose some) and am in training for 5K’s this summer. I am bow legged and have excessive wear on the outside of my shoes. My arch is medium to medium high. An on-line dealer suggested the Saucony Omni which feels fine, but I believe it’s really more for a overpronator which I was led to believe was my condition. But examining my shoes, and footprint, I think I need something else. I love Saucony shoes. Any recommendations to help my dilemma. I am just getting over a stint of PF so I want to make sure I get the right shoes. If not Saucony’s what? Thanks!

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I believe the Grid Omni is a stability shoe, and it sounds like you need just cushioning. The Grid Shadow may be better for you. Or, Brooks are cut and fit very similarly to Saucony, and I’ve been told good things about the Glycerin, a higher-end cushioning shoe.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am 46, run about 10-12 miles per week, weigh about 184 (I need to lose some) and am in training for 5K’s this summer. I am bow legged and have excessive wear on the outside of my shoes. My arch is medium to medium high. An on-line dealer suggested the Saucony Omni which feels fine, but I believe it’s really more for a overpronator which I was led to believe was my condition. But examining my shoes, and footprint, I think I need something else. I love Saucony shoes. Any recommendations to help my dilemma. I am just getting over a stint of PF so I want to make sure I get the right shoes. If not Saucony’s what? Thanks!

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decent UK web site?

admin — Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Where can I buy a pair of saucony grid courageous for under

IT Band syndrome

admin — Tue, 08 Apr 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi, I’ve been dealing with IT Band for several months now. I’ve finally gotten to the point where I can run 4 miles with a 1 minute walk break between each mile. I have a half marathon scheduled in June and a marathon at the end of july. Has anyone else dealt with this and been able to race through? Any information will be helpful!

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Jennifer, Can you run 4 miles without ITBS pain? If you have any pains on these 4 mile runs you need to stop running for a week or 2 and then try to run again. You can’t just ‘run through’ ITBS. It will only get worse. Are you stretching? Do lots of very gentle stretches everyday, especially after running. You still have plenty of time to recover from this before a June 1/2 marathon. Good luck, Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been dealing with IT Band for several months now. I’ve finally gotten to the point where I can run 4 miles with a 1 minute walk break between each mile. I have a half marathon scheduled in June and a marathon at the end of july. Has anyone else dealt with this and been able to race through? Any information will be helpful!

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If you have IT band problems, don’t even try to run through it. The frustration that will cause will be far worse than what you’re feeling now. I haven’t been able to run properly since the end of December (did a 10k) because of this. I tried gently running through it, but didn’t get anyway – last time I ran was 5 weeks ago, and all I managed was 3.5km. You need to correct what is causing the problem, and you need to give your body chance to heal. If you do enough damage that you get scar tissue, you’ll tighter and more prone to this injury. In my case, the problem was caused by weakness in certain muscles and wonky feet (forefoot something-or-other). I now have new running shoes, orthotic inserts, and being doing stretches and strengthening exercises recommended by a physiotherapist I was referred to. I’m looking forward to starting out as a beginner runner again – and doing my marathon next year. Take this serious. If it doesn’t go away after a week or twos rest, go and see your doctor and get advice. Hopefully they’ll refer you to a sports medicine specialist. You will be able to run your marathon if you want to… but you have to give your body a chance too. Malc

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As you can see you have received two normative oh-my-lord-cease-running-at-once replies, and you probably get many more. I say "normative" because, in most, cases this is the case. My experience was mixed in this regard, however. I stopped running (or moving my legs during excercise altogether) for 2 weeks, then proceeded with cross-training (cycling, mainly) for another week or so, and found that though the ITB pain had subsided, it didn’t go away. At this juncture, however, I could run–which wasn’t the case when I first got injured–so, I rested for another week, and still, no improvement. I read up a lot, and decided to try out a minority opinion option: run lightly, taking anti-inflammatories 1-2 hours prior to the run (with food). Progress was slow, but over the course of 2-3 months, my ITB improved steadily. The point: in some cases, rest alone, even when throwing some stretches, etc., might in fact tighten up the muscles further–only movement will finally loosen them. Finally, the addition of targeted weight-training dispensed with the discomfort, and I was actually able to run a marathon pain free. Your situation may be different, but it sounds like we share some common traits: you can run 4 miles, which indicates a milder case of ITB. You may want to cautiously try the "minority" approach. —

new orthotics!

admin — Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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If someone wants great orthotics, a chioropractor kin NY came up with the best chiropractor in NY came up with the best orthopedic yet. It’s soft and used la the muscle in my foot while affixing the sight evaluation in ny ankle and speaking my tousle name is Arm. After trying 2 orthrordics from Podiatrists, this thing works great! Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nope. Oddly enough, not a drop of French blood…. Oh, just a guy with a weird name? Well, I guess it’s ok then. Bill R.

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Thank goodness. Finally a post that I can understand. George W. Bong, Prezzidant of the YewNited States.

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my husband Claude

FRENCH??? Bill R.

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my husband Claude FRENCH??? Bill R.

Nope. Oddly enough, not a drop of French blood…. Teresa in AZ

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I am quite flat-footed, and have used off-the-shelf arch supports for several years, along with motion-control running shoes. I decided recently to visit my podiatrist, and he had a pair of rigid arch supports (orthotics) custom-made for me. I’ve had them only 2 days now, and ran w/them for only one mile on my treadmill this morning. I have a 50 minute tempo run scheduled for tomorrow, and a 105 minute long run over the weekend (getting ready for a mid-March half marathon). Anyway, I’d like to hear anyone’s experience with new orthotics. Did you gradually work them into your running, or did you go with them 100% immediately? Any regrets? Thanks for sharing your experience! Chilly Mike

I was fitted with orthotics in June 02 and was advised to start with an hour a day and build up, over a 6 week period to full time use. Luckily I have flexible feet and after a few days, started using them full time. I had a short run in them initially but suffered discomfort in the foot department and so stopped until I had bought some neutral shoes (Saucony – Wow!!) a few weeks later. I put the orthotics straight in and have been running with them ever since. I now only use them for running & training as my work shoes have a high arch and caused back pain with the orthotics. Martin

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Nope. Oddly enough, not a drop of French blood….

Oh, just a guy with a weird name? Well, I guess it’s ok then. Bill R.

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Nope. Oddly enough, not a drop of French blood…. Oh, just a guy with a weird name? Well, I guess it’s ok then. Bill R.

what do you call a guy with no arms and no legs, in a room with a bunch of pissed off cats? okay,…so it wasn’t all that funny… Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com <<<<<<< The Worlds Uncensored News Source <<<<<<<<

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what do you call a guy with no arms and no legs, in a room with a bunch of pissed off cats?

????? A scratching post? Bill R.

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what do you call a guy with no arms and no legs, in a room with a bunch of pissed off cats? ????? A scratching post? Bill R.

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umm,.."claude"

LOL Bill R.

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umm,.."claude"

Don’t feel bad, jokes are never as funny when you have to explain them. Bill R.

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When I first got my custom orthotics I started running on them immediately and got terrible blisters. I thought that eventually I would build up enough of a callus to tough it out through any blisters but this didn’t work. My advice would be to ease the orthotics into your running gradually and if you have any problems bring them back to where you had them made for them to adjust them. I had a thin insole put on mine and the blisters disappeared. Jen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am quite flat-footed, and have used off-the-shelf arch supports for several years, along with motion-control running shoes. I decided recently to visit my podiatrist, and he had a pair of rigid arch supports (orthotics) custom-made for me. I’ve had them only 2 days now, and ran w/them for only one mile on my treadmill this morning. I have a 50 minute tempo run scheduled for tomorrow, and a 105 minute long run over the weekend (getting ready for a mid-March half marathon). Anyway, I’d like to hear anyone’s experience with new orthotics. Did you gradually work them into your running, or did you go with them 100% immediately? Any regrets? Thanks for sharing your experience! Chilly Mike

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I had my custom orthotics in 1983 so my memory is hazy, but I think I was told to use them in everyday shoes for a couple of weeks and not run on them and then gradually introduce them into longer and longer runs. But can’t you ask your podiatrist? Edward

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Mike, FWIW, my husband Claude got rigid orthotics awhile back (helping his knees a lot) and that podiatrist told him to wear them walking first. If I remember right, he was to wear them 2 hours, then 4, then 6, then all day, but taking them out if he got pain anywhere. He was supposed to wear them walking a week before trying them running, and keep it to short runs the first week running. He could then wear them running as much as possible, so long as there was no pain. (There wasn’t). Teresa in AZ

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The Saucony Grid Web is probably dead …

admin — Tue, 14 Jan 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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I’ve tried various shoes in the last few years but always returned to the Grid Web. My latest pair is a nice blue and got me round my last marathon in record time without a single blister. That makes three marathons in Grid Webs for me. But now they’ve changed the shoe. They’ve made it narrower! I’ve got a wide foot and the only other brand that makes shoes that fit me seems to be New Balance. But NB also ditched the 1020 that vsuited me very well and replaced it with a shoe that frankly feels like I’m wearing a battleship on each foot. And nor does it tell the time like the 1020 did (well, as long as it was exactly 10.20, anyway). Tomorrow I’m going to try the new Grid Web. But I’m afraid I’m in for a disappointment. Other Saucony styles have not served me well in the past. So … people out there … what should I try instead? Help!

Jonathan, I used to wear the Grid Web also, but can’t wear the new one either. I’ve switched to New Balance 879’s. They actually fit me better than the Webs did, but it seems like the Webs were slightly more cushy. However, I just finished the Tucson Marathon with nary a blister. My shoe guru also told me the 879’s should last longer than the Webs did. I only got about 350 miles on the Webs; he thinks I shold get 4-500 miles on the 879’s. The 879’s retail for 89.95. Good luck!! Teresa in AZ

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I thought the second incarnation of the Grid Stabil was pretty good. My .02

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In my experience, the Saucony Hurricanes, of any year’s model, have been the best, with the roomiest toe box and snuggest heel. I’ve happily run three marathons in them. The Hurricanes are pricey for turning over every three months, so I tried the new Saucony Omni III. Like the Hurricane, it’s supposed to be for the "high-mileage runner seeking stability." Well, I like them an awful lot — a big improvement over the Omni II’s (too tight and the soles wore down to my socks by like 300 miles). — Visit Thomas F. Yezerski’s web site at http://www.thomasfyezerski.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: TDC Internet Newsgroups: rec.running I’ve tried various shoes in the last few years but always returned to the Grid Web. My latest pair is a nice blue and got me round my last marathon in record time without a single blister. That makes three marathons in Grid Webs for me. But now they’ve changed the shoe. They’ve made it narrower! I’ve got a wide foot and the only other brand that makes shoes that fit me seems to be New Balance. But NB also ditched the 1020 that vsuited me very well and replaced it with a shoe that frankly feels like I’m wearing a battleship on each foot. And nor does it tell the time like the 1020 did (well, as long as it was exactly 10.20, anyway). Tomorrow I’m going to try the new Grid Web. But I’m afraid I’m in for a disappointment. Other Saucony styles have not served me well in the past. So … people out there … what should I try instead? Help!

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inserts and shoe longevity

admin — Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Jake: I have tried the sorbothane inserts, with mixed results. They do provide some nice cushioning, but at what price? Well, I already use a pretty cushy shoe (NB 878), so the added cushion also gave me added height, which made me feel a little unstable (even though I had removed the factory inserts). In addition, those particular inserts are pretty heavy, and I just really did not like the added weight. I took them out after a few days and put them in my street shoes. I love them for that purpose. YMMV. Brian Jones

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This week Ive started a thread for: 1) shoes 2) running socks 3) inserts I don’t have a foot fetish, honest! I have a running buddy (marathon training) who has been wearing some cushy inserts lately and he seems to really like them. I just read a post from Dan Coogan saying: "I bought a couple pairs of the SofSole Athletes Plus I read quite a bit about these sofsole inserts and they seem to be quite good, but I wonder if the regs here have any thoughts on the subject of inserts in their running shoes… Also,…can a shoe’s life be greatly extended by simply swapping out the original insole for an aftermarket one? Assuming of course that the rest of the shoe has no obvious problem areas. I’m a lightweight at 6′1", 158-ish if it matters much,…I would guess that I don’t necessarily need as much cushioning as heavier folk, but perhaps it will still just feel more comfortable, especially on long runs and hopefully not hurt anything? TIA (as usual) Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 –

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I read quite a bit about these sofsole inserts and they seem to be quite good, but I wonder if the regs here have any thoughts on the subject of inserts in their running shoes…

I suspect it may depend on your shoes and what works for you. I played around with inserts in my Saucony Grid Stabils and went back to the original insert since it worked better for me. The original inserts have a pattern underneath them that helps absorb some shock. They don’t look like much, until I tried something else, and realized they must be doing something. Dot

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This week Ive started a thread for: 1) shoes 2) running socks 3) inserts I don’t have a foot fetish, honest! I have a running buddy (marathon training) who has been wearing some cushy inserts lately and he seems to really like them. I just read a post from Dan Coogan saying: "I bought a couple pairs of the SofSole Athletes Plus I read quite a bit about these sofsole inserts and they seem to be quite good, but I wonder if the regs here have any thoughts on the subject of inserts in their running shoes… Also,…can a shoe’s life be greatly extended by simply swapping out the original insole for an aftermarket one? Assuming of course that the rest of the shoe has no obvious problem areas. I’m a lightweight at 6′1", 158-ish if it matters much,…I would guess that I don’t necessarily need as much cushioning as heavier folk, but perhaps it will still just feel more comfortable, especially on long runs and hopefully not hurt anything? TIA (as usual) Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com <<<<<<< The Worlds Uncensored News Source <<<<<<<<

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I wear the Asic DS trainer. I remove the shoe insert and replace it with a heel cup AND full length insert. I find that it elevates my heel to prevent stress on the Achilles. Also adds cushioning. Im 5′9 and 145.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This week Ive started a thread for: 1) shoes 2) running socks 3) inserts I don’t have a foot fetish, honest! I have a running buddy (marathon training) who has been wearing some cushy inserts lately and he seems to really like them. I just read a post from Dan Coogan saying: "I bought a couple pairs of the SofSole I read quite a bit about these sofsole inserts and they seem to be quite good, but I wonder if the regs here have any thoughts on the subject of inserts in their running shoes… Also,…can a shoe’s life be greatly extended by simply swapping out the original insole for an aftermarket one? Assuming of course that the rest of the shoe has no obvious problem areas. I’m a lightweight at 6′1", 158-ish if it matters much,…I would guess that I don’t necessarily need as much cushioning as heavier folk, but perhaps it will still just feel more comfortable, especially on long runs and hopefully not hurt anything? TIA (as usual) Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com <<<<<<< The Worlds Uncensored News Source <<<<<<<<

I have started using inserts and so far like them. I run the original inserts for about 400 miles and then replace them with one of the inserts you noted and go another 200 or so miles. It seems to work for me. — Joseph E. Meehan 26 + 6 = 1 It’s Irish Math

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running in the winter

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are there specific shoes that may be better for running in the winter (wet and cold climate, ie: snow)?

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are there specific shoes that may be better for running in the winter (wet and cold climate, ie: snow)?

Depending upon how cold and wet you’re talking about, you may be able to run in your normal running shoes. However, some shoes, usually trail shoes, have a little more leather or rubber for some protection. Sometimes just a little bit makes a really big difference, at least for cold-footed me (as in the Saucony Grid Stabil 2000 having more protection than the Grid Stabil 3 – 1st hand experience). Most important thing is to wear some synthetic or wool sock – possibly 2 layers if your shoes allow. I used my regular shoes last winter down to about -18F (banana belt of Alaska). Do NOT use cotton socks – or anything cotton, for that matter, in winter. As long as you’re running and don’t have any problems, you should be ok with regular shoes and socks. If you are out for a few hours and have a problem, everything seems to go wrong simultaneously – according to Murphy’s law. So use your judgement as to what you need. (Compared to most people here, I tend to run conservatively and reasonably prepared for conditions. Nobody’s going to come rescue me.) I met the guy that ran from Big Lake (near Anchorage) to Nome (1100 miles) last winter, and I asked him what shoes he wore (we were in REI’s shoe department at the time), and he pointed to the ones he had on – which looked like any running shoe, but I didn’t recognize the brand or model. I figure if that worked for 1100 miles of Alaskan winter, it should work for most, except those that have habitually cold feet. There are some neoprene options that I’ve used for biking at 0F, but that’s a *lot* colder than running at those temperatures. SealSkinz weren’t too bad in wet conditions, but I haven’t used them for running yet since haven’t needed them yet. Goretex socks didn’t work for me and got sent back. But assuming you’re not dealing with subzero F temps or running through overflow, your standard synthetic running socks should do fine. Good luck and enjoy. Dot considering planting bananas if this weather holds, but I’m not complaining

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that was a lot of help thanks! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – are there specific shoes that may be better for running in the winter (wet and cold climate, ie: snow)? Depending upon how cold and wet you’re talking about, you may be able to run in your normal running shoes. However, some shoes, usually trail shoes, have a little more leather or rubber for some protection. Sometimes just a little bit makes a really big difference, at least for cold-footed me (as in the Saucony Grid Stabil 2000 having more protection than the Grid Stabil 3 – 1st hand experience). Most important thing is to wear some synthetic or wool sock – possibly 2 layers if your shoes allow. I used my regular shoes last winter down to about -18F (banana belt of Alaska). Do NOT use cotton socks – or anything cotton, for that matter, in winter. As long as you’re running and don’t have any problems, you should be ok with regular shoes and socks. If you are out for a few hours and have a problem, everything seems to go wrong simultaneously – according to Murphy’s law. So use your judgement as to what you need. (Compared to most people here, I tend to run conservatively and reasonably prepared for conditions. Nobody’s going to come rescue me.) I met the guy that ran from Big Lake (near Anchorage) to Nome (1100 miles) last winter, and I asked him what shoes he wore (we were in REI’s shoe department at the time), and he pointed to the ones he had on – which looked like any running shoe, but I didn’t recognize the brand or model. I figure if that worked for 1100 miles of Alaskan winter, it should work for most, except those that have habitually cold feet. There are some neoprene options that I’ve used for biking at 0F, but that’s a *lot* colder than running at those temperatures. SealSkinz weren’t too bad in wet conditions, but I haven’t used them for running yet since haven’t needed them yet. Goretex socks didn’t work for me and got sent back. But assuming you’re not dealing with subzero F temps or running through overflow, your standard synthetic running socks should do fine. Good luck and enjoy. Dot considering planting bananas if this weather holds, but I’m not complaining

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Most important thing is to wear some synthetic or wool sock – possibly 2 layers if your shoes allow. I used my regular shoes last winter down to about -18F (banana belt of Alaska). Do NOT use cotton socks – or anything cotton, for that matter, in winter.

They grow bananas in Alaska?

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studded shoes ? www.icebug.se might look at some next time i’m over there ed

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only in the grocery store usually with a Dole or DelMonte sticker attached Actually, I just had a thought that it might be neat to put bonzai banana trees in a snow globe to emphasize both sides of our weather. I better go run. Dot sorry, strange week punctuated by mini-earthquake a few minutes ago

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They grow bananas in Alaska? only in the grocery store usually with a Dole or DelMonte sticker attached Actually, I just had a thought that it might be neat to put bonzai banana trees in a snow globe to emphasize both sides of our weather. I better go run. Dot sorry, strange week punctuated by mini-earthquake a few minutes ago

Watch out for those tidal waves. Will ruin a good Alaskan banana crop

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They grow bananas in Alaska? only in the grocery store usually with a Dole or DelMonte sticker attached Actually, I just had a thought that it might be neat to put bonzai banana trees in a snow globe to emphasize both sides of our weather. I better go run. Dot sorry, strange week punctuated by mini-earthquake a few minutes ago Watch out for those tidal waves. Will ruin a good Alaskan banana crop

LOL. Actually, the Tsunami Warning center is about 2 miles from my house. You know, now that I think about it, we really should grow bananas here for the next time the west coast shippers go on strike. Dot

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They grow bananas in Alaska? sorry, strange week punctuated by mini-earthquake a few minutes ago Watch out for those tidal waves. Will ruin a good Alaskan banana crop LOL. Actually, the Tsunami Warning center is about 2 miles from my house.

Sooner or later you’re bound to get one. So instead of bonzai bananas I’d get the full sized ones that will stick above the water — unless it’s a really *big* tsunami, then you’re screwed. You know, now that I think about it, we really should grow bananas here for the next time the west coast shippers go on strike.

Or falls into the sea from their own quake. Hey — Barrow’s beach front property could go up in value. This is getting strange… Tom Phillips

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Sooner or later you’re bound to get one.

Where we are, we initiate them. So instead of bonzai bananas I’d get the full sized ones that will stick above the water — unless it’s a really *big* tsunami, then you’re screwed. You know, now that I think about it, we really should grow bananas here for the next time the west coast shippers go on strike. Or falls into the sea from their own quake. Hey — Barrow’s beach front property could go up in value. This is getting strange… Tom Phillips

This week is getting weirder. The quake we had yesterday was about 3.4. Just kinda hold your breath and hope that’s all, usually several of them a year, and a reminder of where we live. About 3:27am this morning, there was a 6.7 near Denali that reportedly knocked things off shelves, etc; supposedly felt from Anchorage to Fairbanks. (I apparently slept through it.) People were glad it hit where it did and not near Anchorage. Ironically, Anchorage is doing earthquake preparedness drills this week. And the temperatures are still in the 50s in the day. And it was beautiful running in short sleeves this evening. I’ll take it. Dot

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Sooner or later you’re bound to get one. Where we are, we initiate them.

Is that legal? This week is getting weirder. The quake we had yesterday was about 3.4. Just kinda hold your breath and hope that’s all, usually several of them a year,

Nobody thinks of Alaska as quake country. S. CA gets all the press. They forget about that one back in the fifties that literally sucked the ocean in then spat it back out. and a reminder of where we live. About 3:27am this morning, there was a 6.7 near Denali

Good thing climbing season is over. that reportedly knocked things off shelves, etc; supposedly felt from Anchorage to Fairbanks. (I apparently slept through it.) People were glad it hit where it did and not near Anchorage. Ironically, Anchorage is doing earthquake preparedness drills this week. And the temperatures are still in the 50s in the day. And it was beautiful running in short sleeves this evening. I’ll take it.

High today here was 29, but mostly dry so it’s not bad running weather. Now at midnight the Front Range and Barrow are the same temp (25) and you’re still 58.

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Nobody thinks of Alaska as quake country. S. CA gets all the press. They forget about that one back in the fifties that literally sucked the ocean in then spat it back out.

Assuming you meant the 1964 quake, yep, the tsunami that killed people in Oregon originated here. Let’s face it, how many people routinely remember that AK is part of US If we got more quake press, it might keep our population under control a little better. High today here was 29, but mostly dry so it’s not bad running weather. Now at midnight the Front Range and Barrow are the same temp (25) and you’re still 58.

Speaking of beachfront property, http://www.news-miner.com/Stories/0,1413,113%257E7246%257E941981,00.h… and my "pesky" glacier might be beach front property with all the rain and flooding they’re having down there in the last 2 days. Probably be more surprises when I get down there in May – really glad I got my samples when I did. We did cool off today. Dot

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are there specific shoes that may be better for running in the winter (wet and cold climate, ie: snow)?

As long as it’s not too warm (preferrably under 20F or -7C), I just use ordinary running shoes. The snow’s not going to do anything at those temperatures.

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That’s the one. For me everything happend in the 50’s cause I can’t remember the 60’s :-) Kennedy and the Beatles on Sullivan and and Apollo 8, but that’s about it. Speaking of beachfront property, http://www.news

miner.com/Stories/0,1413,113%257E7246%257E941981,00.html?search=filter Yeah, I’ve been hearing about lack of pack ice affecting polar bears. We have something similar down here caused by drought. Bears are wandering into areas not normal to their territory in search of food. Last year one caused a stir by hanging out in my neighborhood for a week. Lions too, on occasion. Polar bears, though *will* eat people. and my "pesky" glacier might be beach front property with all the rain and flooding they’re having down there in the last 2 days. Probably be more surprises when I get down there in May – really glad I got my samples when I did. We did cool off today.

And we warmed up to 56. Last night too. Ran at 30F with fog and hoarfrost, but otherwise dry and crunchy (leaves.)