Bad shoe advice from a running shoe store.

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Does anyone here agree that the following suggestion was bad advice? I weighed 195 lbs when I bought a pair of Saucony Trigon2 response shoes. I told the shop I haven’t been running in a while and wasn’t too familiar with the shoes that where out. I just read on RW that the Trigon2 Response is for men 150-180 lbs. I’ve only got about 100 miles on them and my IT band has been kinda tight. I’ll prob get another pair just to test that theory. Not sure that the IT band is over use issue but I still question the advice for the response shoe for a 195 lb guy. Anyone else agree?

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I just read on RW that the

Trigon2 Response is for men 150-180 lbs. ____ i would question this assertion. i simply don’t believe it’s valid, i doubt saucony would suppor this assertion as well. they’re made up to size 14 and methinks there are a lot of people with a size 14 running shoe weigh more than 180 .lbs. w/the info you provided, imo/experience…i see no reason to say this is bad advice.

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No, I don’t agree. The only difference between the response and durable cushioning is that one has slightly stiffer rubber than the other. With their numbers, Saucony are appealing to the general principal that heavier runners should wear more durable shoes. I’ve worn a number of different pairs of shoes, and the Trigon RC is one of the sturdier ones. It’s not at all clear to me that the shoes had much to do with your injury because I don’t know anything about your training, but the advice isn’t self-evidently bad. Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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I weighed 195 lbs when I bought a pair of Saucony Trigon2 response shoes. I told the shop I haven’t been running in a while and wasn’t too familiar with the shoes that where out. I just read on RW that the Trigon2 Response is for men 150-180 lbs.

I wouldn’t consider RW an acceptable source for advice about anything, unless your goal is to run slow and get injured. You are much better off going to a good running store that will sell you a shoe for your particular running style. I’m in your weight class (I’m 6′4") and regularly wear shoes/spikes designed for smaller people. Beware that many so-called "insiders" in running are small and some "experts" will try to typecast you into a particular type of shoe for "heavy" runners simply based on your weight. You don’t want that; You want the proper shoe for YOUR running style. ITBS can be caused by having the wrong shoe or overpronation. You could even need orthotics. But it can also be caused by weak abs (common in distance runners), too much mileage too quickly, hard surfaces, and running downhill or on a cambered (slanted) surface. If you are having pain/injury problems, you can go back to the store that sold you the shoe and try to have them check the selection (if you went to a discount store, go to a real running store). You can go to a podiatrist (ask for one who is a runner). If you have ITBS problems, look at the FAQ here or go to a running store and look for a strap made for ITBS (if they don’t know what you’re talking about, go somewhere else). Lyndon "Speed Kills…It kills those that don’t have it!" –US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

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That you’re a dumbass? Yes. 15 lbs means nothing, you’ll lose it in a month anyways.

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<< ‘ll prob get another pair just to test that theory. Not sure that the IT band is over use issue but I still question the advice for the response shoe for a 195 lb guy. Anyone else agree? Kewl name, Greyhound! Bad advice, you ask? Why do you ask? _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please ping me! <A HREF="http://journals.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo"http://journal s.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo</A

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<< ones. It’s not at all clear to me that the shoes had much to do with your injury because I don’t know anything about your training, but the advice isn’t self-evidently bad. Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi Nonesuch, Unless contextualized. Just too random. Scene dog? Got ransome note, Delivered today ~ A suspicious male! _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please ping me! <A HREF="http://journals.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo"http://journal s.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo</A

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Indeed. Advice about advice. If the advice about the advice criticises the advice, then which is ill-advised — the advice, or is it the advice about the advice ? Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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<< I’m in your weight class (I’m 6′4") and regularly wear shoes/spikes designed for smaller people. Air Lyndon? You shoot hoops? Loop-de-loops? Astro sign? Once mine? !Be Warned! Sign says… "Midway along the journey of our life I woke to find myself in a dark wood, for I had wandered off from the straight path. How hard it is to tell what it was like, this wood of wilderness, savage and stubborn, (the thbought of it brings back all my old fears), a bitterplace! Death could scarce be bitterer. But if I could show the good that came of it I must talk…" — Dante, Translation, courtesy, Ms. Sayers. _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please ping me! <A HREF="http://journals.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo"http://journal s.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo</A

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Advice about advice. If the advice about the advice criticises the advice, then which is ill-advised — the advice, or is it the advice about the advice ?

Shun advice at any price, That’s what I call good advice. -Piet Hein, 1960something. Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cheers,

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<< Advice about advice. If the advice about the advice criticises the advice, then which is ill-advised — the advice, or is it the advice about the advice ?

Shun advice at any price, That’s what I call good advice. -Piet Hein, 1960something. Andy Cheers,

…I fully intend To get back to DonVon on this one…. _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please ping me! <A HREF="http://journals.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo"http://journal s.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo</A

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I’ve been running about 3 months now and am up to a 15 mile week, I’ve been at 15 mile weeks for about 3 weeks. I backed off on my long run and have started doing stretches to resolve the knee pain. Can’t really tell if its working. Ran 3 miles on tues and thurs and 4 on wed. didn’t feel anything either day. Guess I’ll back off on the new shoes for a bit. It still seems like a pair made for liter people would wear out quicker on heavier people. Guess I’ll continue with reduced mileage for a a bit. Thanks for the advice. I did get the shoes from a true running store.

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Agree? The real question is, does anyone else care?

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Only after your runs, and even then stretching causes more injuries than it prevents or cures.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << ‘ll prob get another pair just to test that theory. Not sure that the IT band is over use issue but I still question the advice for the response shoe for a 195 lb guy. Anyone else agree? Kewl name, Greyhound! Bad advice, you ask? Why do you ask? Indeed. Advice about advice. If the advice about the advice criticises the advice, then which is ill-advised — the advice, or is it the advice about the advice ? Cheers,

If you know the difference between good advice and bad advice, you don’t need any advice. In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Maintainer – rec.running FAQ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-faq/ Mindful Running: http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

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Yeah, only after runs. I’ve heard that it may cause injuries but only if its done incorrectly.

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