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Hi David, You have some great links on your site.  I think it’s pretty great that you smoked for 17 years and now your running.  It jsut goes to show you how resilient the human body can be. Kenisan p.s.  By the way, the socks really do work. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ummm… this is really pushing it, lol. Something tells me that 5-toes socks aren’t going to help an arch problem, but you already knew that, right? as polite as it is, it’s still spam. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html – Hi Troy, I am not sure if this will help or not but maybe you could try out a pair of our 5 toe running socks www.injinji.com  By having the toes seperated and not smashed together inside a tube sock the toes are able to articulate inside the shoe. This allows your foot to work more naturally and it also eliminates blistering.  We have been seeing alot of great success with athletes and their foot problems.  Susan Olsen wears them exclusively, she’s a world champion ultra marathoner. Susan used to finish 24 hour and 48 hour races with boody feet from the blisters between her toes. Good luck, Kenisan It’s worse in the morning, when I wake up, and gets better, after I put some weight on it.  I thought maybe it was plantar facitis, but it doesn’t extend to the heel.  I won’t have it for a few days and then the pain comes back.  During one run, the pain was on the outside of my foot.  Could my arch be dropping?  I have high arches and I naturally suppinate, but my shoes(Brooks Hyperion) correct my footstrike. I also have the urge to crack my foot.  This actually brings some relief to the arch pain.  I haven’t done any preventive measures yet. Thanks, Troy

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Hi David, You have some great links on your site.  I think it’s pretty great that you smoked for 17 years and now your running.  It jsut goes to show you how resilient the human body can be.

Thanks, I appreciate it. Kenisan p.s.  By the way, the socks really do work.

…for arch pain? Got any sort of research, or hell, even some anecdotal evidence that wearing socks with separate toes will prevent this? C’mon… I’m sure they are comfy, and I’m not saying they suck or something, but when I say you trying to sell them to someone with arch pain, it just seemed a little silly. Maybe it’s just me. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

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ummm… this is really pushing it, lol. Something tells me that 5-toes socks aren’t going to help an arch problem, but you already knew that, right? as polite as it is, it’s still spam. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Troy, I am not sure if this will help or not but maybe you could try out a pair of our 5 toe running socks www.injinji.com  By having the toes seperated and not smashed together inside a tube sock the toes are able to articulate inside the shoe. This allows your foot to work more naturally and it also eliminates blistering.  We have been seeing alot of great success with athletes and their foot problems.  Susan Olsen wears them exclusively, she’s a world champion ultra marathoner. Susan used to finish 24 hour and 48 hour races with boody feet from the blisters between her toes. Good luck, Kenisan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s worse in the morning, when I wake up, and gets better, after I put some weight on it.  I thought maybe it was plantar facitis, but it doesn’t extend to the heel.  I won’t have it for a few days and then the pain comes back.  During one run, the pain was on the outside of my foot.  Could my arch be dropping?  I have high arches and I naturally suppinate, but my shoes(Brooks Hyperion) correct my footstrike. I also have the urge to crack my foot.  This actually brings some relief to the arch pain.  I haven’t done any preventive measures yet. Thanks, Troy

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Hi Troy, I am not sure if this will help or not but maybe you could try out a pair of our 5 toe running socks www.injinji.com  By having the toes seperated and not smashed together inside a tube sock the toes are able to articulate inside the shoe. This allows your foot to work more naturally and it also eliminates blistering.  We have been seeing alot of great success with athletes and their foot problems.  Susan Olsen wears them exclusively, she’s a world champion ultra marathoner. Susan used to finish 24 hour and 48 hour races with boody feet from the blisters between her toes. Good luck, Kenisan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s worse in the morning, when I wake up, and gets better, after I put some weight on it.  I thought maybe it was plantar facitis, but it doesn’t extend to the heel.  I won’t have it for a few days and then the pain comes back.  During one run, the pain was on the outside of my foot.  Could my arch be dropping?  I have high arches and I naturally suppinate, but my shoes(Brooks Hyperion) correct my footstrike.   I also have the urge to crack my foot.  This actually brings some relief to the arch pain.  I haven’t done any preventive measures yet. Thanks, Troy

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The way I understand it the plantar fascia run from the back of the toes to the heel and you could have pain in any part.  I’m recovering from heel pain now, but I remember having to deal with a minor case in High School track (35 yrs ago!) in the middle part.  High arches are supposed to predispose you for it.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s worse in the morning, when I wake up, and gets better, after I put some weight on it.  I thought maybe it was plantar facitis, but it doesn’t extend to the heel.  I won’t have it for a few days and then the pain comes back.  During one run, the pain was on the outside of my foot.  Could my arch be dropping?  I have high arches and I naturally suppinate, but my shoes(Brooks Hyperion) correct my footstrike. I also have the urge to crack my foot.  This actually brings some relief to the arch pain.  I haven’t done any preventive measures yet. Thanks, Troy

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I’m curious. Why do you need the shoe to CORRECT your foot strike? Since you say you are an underpronator (suppinator), what’s to correct?

The Brooks Hyperion is classified as a cushioning shoe.  It has a slightly curved last, which would bring my foot inward a little.  I realize you know this!  The shoe does have a defined arch support.  I’ll try running with a flat insole and see if it helps.  I can see what you saying.  I might have the pain, because my arch isn’t flexing.  If I were running barefoot, I wouldn’t have any arch support, so it may be natural for the arch to flex.  I’ll give it a try.  I’ve also noticed another thing.  I’ve worn a few stability shoes and they all felt horrible.  It felt like my feet were being pulled to the outside.   Thanks, Troy         The – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – high-arch, underpronate condition is a fairly common duo, and generally needs no motion control or stabilizing. Here’s a thought. If the Hyperion has a well defined arch support built into the insole (I’ve used Brooks b4 and think yes), then the control (of the shoe) and the intrusion of the arch may be the culprit. As a test try removing the original insole and replacing it with a FLAT insole. Try that for a few miles/days (or…?) and see if there’s any improvement. If not, well no harm done, since you already have a problem. If things get better, then keep on truckin’. I also have a high arch and underpronate (bowed legs, to boot). Even though high arches are said to be "rigid", implying BAD, they still need to flex during weight bearing. Arch support (if excessive) can actually be the source of pain (certainly for me, before I figured it out) – opposite of the supposed purpose of preventing pain.

I’m not a Doctor (although I played one under the porch); just my personal experience and observations. Denny   http://community.webtv.net/tmacrun/AppalachianTrail

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It’s worse in the morning, when I wake up, and gets better, after I put some weight on it.  I thought maybe it was plantar facitis, but it doesn’t extend to the heel.  I won’t have it for a few days and then the pain comes back.  During one run, the pain was on the outside of my foot.  Could my arch be dropping?  I have high arches and I naturally suppinate, but my shoes(Brooks Hyperion) correct my footstrike.   I also have the urge to crack my foot.  This actually brings some relief to the arch pain.  I haven’t done any preventive measures yet. Thanks, Troy

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It’s worse in the morning, when I wake up, and gets better, after I put some weight on it.  I thought maybe it was plantar facitis, but it doesn’t extend to the heel.  I won’t have it for a few days and then the pain comes back.  During one run, the pain was on the outside of my foot.  Could my arch be dropping?  I have high arches and I naturally suppinate, but my shoes(Brooks Hyperion) correct my footstrike.  

I’m curious. Why do you need the shoe to CORRECT your foot strike? Since you say you are an underpronator (suppinator), what’s to correct? The high-arch, underpronate condition is a fairly common duo, and generally needs no motion control or stabilizing. Here’s a thought. If the Hyperion has a well defined arch support built into the insole (I’ve used Brooks b4 and think yes), then the control (of the shoe) and the intrusion of the arch may be the culprit. As a test try removing the original insole and replacing it with a FLAT insole. Try that for a few miles/days (or…?) and see if there’s any improvement. If not, well no harm done, since you already have a problem. If things get better, then keep on truckin’. I also have a high arch and underpronate (bowed legs, to boot). Even though high arches are said to be "rigid", implying BAD, they still need to flex during weight bearing. Arch support (if excessive) can actually be the source of pain (certainly for me, before I figured it out) – opposite of the supposed purpose of preventing pain. I also have the urge to crack my foot.  This actually brings some relief to the arch pain.  I haven’t done any preventive measures yet. Thanks, Troy

I’m not a Doctor (although I played one under the porch); just my personal experience and observations. Denny

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