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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip People sometimes think I make this stuff up. Richard Nixon was once right down the street from me, and I refused to go out and wave the rah rah flag at him.   That surprises me.  I would have thought you’d be a big Nixon fan just to be contrary. Ghoulagirl.

It may happen yet in some fit of historical revisionism.  I’ve actually become quite fond of LBJ so there is hope yet. Marley

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Airport security is a joke. Absolutely. I flew through Bologna’s airport last year, and the Italian security police walk around with submachine guns. The x-ray equipment is manned by very serious people, and they question you while you walk through the security gate. I was on an internal EU flight, not an international, so it wasn’t because it was an overseas flight.

ITA, it is a joke. But check in FAST, security checks are FAST, seating is FAST, etc. That is what Americans want(ed). We are impatient, give it to me now people who do not want to wait. We can’t have it both ways. Susan Sometimes I think I understand everything,  then I regain consciousness.

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It may happen yet in some fit of historical revisionism.  I’ve actually become quite fond of LBJ so there is hope yet. Marley

I’ll bet you just like his ears and his irascible nature. J.

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I’m glad to hear that.  People sometimes think I make this stuff up. Richard Nixon was once right down the street from me, and I refused to go out and wave the rah rah flag at him. Marley

I, then a 9 year old boy enrolled in a Catholic elementary school, succumbed to the lure of the dollar and distributed flyers door to door for Dick in the 1960 election campaign.  My devoutly Democratic parents were furious at the man who’d risked my soul in such a manner, but said nothing because he was the publisher of the local paper for which my father worked. Deeply depressed at Dick’s loss, I didn’t participate in politics again for decades. J.

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Airport security is a joke. Absolutely. I flew through Bologna’s airport last year, and the Italian security police walk around with submachine guns. The x-ray equipment is manned by very serious people, and they question you while you walk through the security gate. I was on an internal EU flight, not an international, so it wasn’t because it was an overseas flight.

I read in my morning paper that Northwest Airlines ran its own test of airport security in Phoenix last night.  The airport failed.  Employees were able to gain admittance to crew areas without proper I.D. and to bring aboard prohibited items. Northwest suspended all of its flights as a result. As many have suggested, we need to find a way to make airport security a more attractive job than the low prestige, low pay, high-turnover occupation it is today. J.

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It may happen yet in some fit of historical revisionism.  I’ve actually become quite fond of LBJ so there is hope yet. Marley I’ll bet you just like his ears and his irascible nature. J.

And I have fantasies of him with Doris Kearns Marley

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It may happen yet in some fit of historical revisionism.  I’ve actually become quite fond of LBJ so there is hope yet. Marley I’ll bet you just like his ears and his irascible nature. J. And I have fantasies of him with Doris Kearns Marley

We’re going to take up a collection for you, Marley, as soon as I can locate the proper therapy. <g J.

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As many have suggested, we need to find a way to make airport security a more attractive job than the low prestige, low pay, high-turnover occupation it is today.

Here’s a hint, design a training program that lasts more than a couple of hours and then pay the screeners more. Test the system daily. Ron – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – J.

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Here’s a hint, design a training program that lasts more than a couple of hours and then pay the screeners more. Test the system daily.

Federalize it. Train and pay the security people as you would police officers. Make it a professional job; at least make it something that would actually be considered a career. As it stands right now, the airlines and the airports run it. In Chicago, that means whoever kisses Da Mayor’s ass get the contract. That’s no way to run a security system. steve reply to: steven[add the letter r]white[now put the number '1' in] at sign home dot com

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As many have suggested, we need to find a way to make airport security a more attractive job than the low prestige, low pay, high-turnover occupation it is today.

I think all countries of the world need to shun the countries that help these evil people.. I saw Judith Miller interviewed on TV.. And she spoke about how they have been experimenting with germ warfare.. I am going to get her book.. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0684871580… Germs : America’s Secret War Against Biological Weapons by Judith Miller, Stephen Engelberg, William J. Broad A frightening and unforgettable narrative of cutting-edge science and spycraft, Germs shows us why advances in biology and the spread of germ weapons expertise to such countries as Iran, Iraq, and North Korea could make germs the weapon of the twenty-first century. me.. If all the free/just countries of the world stops all trade with these countries that harbor these people..( or heck invade these countries..) I think that is the only time I am going to feel safe.. Jackie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As many have suggested, we need to find a way to make airport security a more attractive job than the low prestige, low pay, high-turnover occupation it is today. I think all countries of the world need to shun the countries that help these evil people.. I saw Judith Miller interviewed on TV.. And she spoke about how they have been experimenting with germ warfare.. I am going to get her book..

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0684871580… s/ref=pm_dp_ln_b_6/002-6884581-0917664 Germs : America’s Secret War Against Biological Weapons by Judith Miller, Stephen Engelberg, William J. Broad A frightening and unforgettable narrative of cutting-edge science and spycraft, Germs shows us why advances in biology and the spread of germ weapons expertise to such countries as Iran, Iraq, and North Korea could make germs the weapon of the twenty-first century.

It has already been done. Don’t be too sure that it isn’t much closer to home than ‘way off out there’. me.. If all the free/just countries of the world stops all trade with these countries that harbor these people..( or heck invade these countries..) I think that is the only time I am going to feel safe..

Well America is still reaping the effects of the Gulf War Syndrome, and will continue to do so – I think it is something like 17% of veterans are suffering from it. What about Agent Orange in Vietnam and the the spent uranium shells elsewhere – Iraq for example where countless children have died from leukaemia and other cancers? There is always a price to pay. Nothing is new under the sun, including the fact that we (humanity)  still haven’t learnt the lesson that you cannot teach evil and not have it returned ten-fold. Afghanistan was supported and trained in warfare and invested in for a long time to get back at Russia. Now look and see who is the enemy. I am fearful that the same thing is happening all over again. In the meantime Israel launched missiles – paid for by the US tax payers – at a refugee camp last night, and they continue to *shoot dead* stone-throwing youths. World War Three is definitely on the cards, and it will be worse than all the others put together simply because the weapons are so much more deadly and many of those who have them don’t have much to lose. *They* have learnt the lessons well. The worm always turns. I don’t often quote Winston Churchill but didn’t he say "jaw jaw is better than war war". Maybe it is time to talk. Helen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jackie

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  <<The worm always turns. Yes! Excellent post. << It has already been done. Don’t be too sure that it isn’t much closer to home than ‘way off out there’. Well America is still reaping the effects of the Gulf War Syndrome, and will continue to do so – I think it is something like 17% of veterans are suffering from it. What about Agent Orange in Vietnam and the the spent uranium shells elsewhere – Iraq for example where countless children have died from leukaemia and other cancers? There is always a price to pay. Nothing is new under the sun, including the fact that we (humanity)  still haven’t learnt the lesson that you cannot teach evil and not have it returned ten-fold. Afghanistan was supported and trained in warfare and invested in for a long time to get back at Russia. Now look and see who is the enemy. I am fearful that the same thing is happening all over again. In the meantime Israel launched missiles – paid for by the US tax payers – at a refugee camp last night, and they continue to *shoot dead* stone-throwing youths. World War Three is definitely on the cards, and it will be worse than all the others put together simply because the weapons are so much more deadly and many of those who have them don’t have much to lose. *They* have learnt the lessons well. The worm always turns. I don’t often quote Winston Churchill but didn’t he say "jaw jaw is better than war war". Maybe it is time to talk. Taylor In anything at all, perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but rather when there is nothing more to take away.  – Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince

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If all the free/just countries of the world stops all trade with these countries that harbor these people..( or heck invade these countries..) I think that is the only time I am going to feel safe.. Jackie

And the problem will get worse than you can possibly imagine! The U.S. is supporting Israel and ignoring Israel’s excesses in ‘peacekeeping’ against the Palestinians.  They fired rockets into a refugee camp last night!  I saw TV footage of Palestinian youths holding up spent shells and ammunition with ‘made in the US’ on the them.  Wonder what those youths think of the US? The US *trained* Bin Laden – not in military tactics, but in *terrorism*. The US pulled out of the Kyoto agreement and the Durban conference on racism.  I am too young to remember the Vietnam war but I have read about it and seen that famous picture of the young naked girl running screaming as her village was napalmed – by the U.S.  Were Hiroshima and Nagasaki justified?  Two cities mainly full of women, children and old men, seeing as the able-bodied were at war? None of the above justifies what happened in New York and Washington.  The perpetrators should be brought to justice – but justice does not equate with revenge.  America is now bringing undue pressure to bear on Pakistan.  If Pakistan cooperates it becomes a target for the Taliban.  If it doesn’t cooperate it, a poor country by international standards, faces at the least, economic sanctions from the U.S. What the world needs now is peace and justice, not war and revenge. If we get the former, then *I* might feel safe… Anton

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If all the free/just countries of the world stops all trade with these countries that harbor these people..( or heck invade these countries..) I think that is the only time I am going to feel safe.. Jackie And the problem will get worse than you can possibly imagine! The U.S. is supporting Israel and ignoring Israel’s excesses in ‘peacekeeping’ against the Palestinians.  They fired rockets into a refugee camp last night!  I saw TV footage of Palestinian youths holding up spent shells and ammunition with ‘made in the US’ on the them.  Wonder what those youths think of the US? The US *trained* Bin Laden – not in military tactics, but in *terrorism*. The US pulled out of the Kyoto agreement and the Durban conference on racism.  I am too young to remember the Vietnam war but I have read about it and seen that famous picture of the young naked girl running screaming as her village was napalmed – by the U.S.  Were Hiroshima and Nagasaki justified?  Two cities mainly full of women, children and old men, seeing as the able-bodied were at war? None of the above justifies what happened in New York and Washington.  The perpetrators should be brought to justice – but justice does not equate with revenge.  America is now bringing undue pressure to bear on Pakistan.  If Pakistan cooperates it becomes a target for the Taliban.  If it doesn’t cooperate it, a poor country by international standards, faces at the least, economic sanctions from the U.S. What the world needs now is peace and justice, not war and revenge. If we get the former, then *I* might feel safe… Anton

Peace and justice is not part of any government vocabularly. Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a side noet, a reporter friend of mine told me this story way back when Gerald Ford was president.  Ford was scheduled to make a stop at the Akron Canton airport.  All press were searched several times, their cameras taken apart etc.by the Secret Service.  The plane was taken taxied into a hangar and when Ford emerged, the doors to the hangar were immediately opened to the public who swarmed in, nearly knocking down the press corps. I was THERE! I was going to college nearby, and went to that rally — evening before the election, one of Ford’s final stops. steve Steve, you have to be the only person I’ve ever enountered who not only attended a Ford rally, but admits it. <g J.

Ahhh yes Gerald Ford, "I’m a mediocre man, butthe last guy was a felon!"

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I read in my morning paper that Northwest Airlines ran its own test of airport security in Phoenix last night.  The airport failed.  Employees were able to gain admittance to crew areas without proper I.D. and to bring aboard prohibited items. Northwest suspended all of its flights as a result. As many have suggested, we need to find a way to make airport security a more attractive job than the low prestige, low pay, high-turnover occupation it is today.

Absolutely.  An English newspaper journalist recently was able to place two packages on airplanes in the UK, after simply buying himself a pilot’s uniform! And in Dublin airport last year, the bank was robbed and the perpetrators made a clean getaway. Scary. Anton

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Airport security is a joke. Absolutely. I flew through Bologna’s airport last year, and the Italian security police walk around with submachine guns. The x-ray equipment is manned by very serious people, and they question you while you walk through the security gate. I was on an internal EU flight, not an international, so it wasn’t because it was an overseas flight. As a side noet, a reporter friend of mine told me this story way back when Gerald Ford was president.  Ford was scheduled to make a stop at the Akron Canton airport.  All press were searched several times, their cameras taken apart etc.by the Secret Service.  The plane was taken taxied into a hangar and when Ford emerged, the doors to the hangar were immediately opened to the public who swarmed in, nearly knocking down the press corps. I was THERE! I was going to college nearby, and went to that rally — evening before the election, one of Ford’s final stops. steve

I’m glad to hear that.  People sometimes think I make this stuff up. Richard Nixon was once right down the street from me, and I refused to go out and wave the rah rah flag at him. Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – reply to: steven[add the letter r]white[now put the number '1' in] at sign home dot com

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snip People sometimes think I make this stuff up. Richard Nixon was once right down the street from me, and I refused to go out and wave the rah rah flag at him.

  That surprises me.  I would have thought you’d be a big Nixon fan just to be contrary. Ghoulagirl.

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Read it…it’s very eye opening.

Thank you for reminding why I dislike Michael Moore so much. His message is always the same — it’s always our fault. steve

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So, you’re saying that *none* of what he spoke of is true…actually happened? pb…

I think it is Michael Moore’s "experience" meaning it is true. Personally, I have gone through airport security and had my purse and carry-on bag go through while the person who should have been watching joked with others around them, but that is the only experience I can relate to. As far as being a Michael Moore fan – Don’t know a whole lot about him but I did like the movie "Roger and Me."  I guess he is one of those "you love him or hate him" types. Best, Luanne http://members.aol.com/luannep/adoption.htm http://members.aol.com/luannemarie/capage2.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, you’re saying that *none* of what he spoke of is true…actually happened? pb… I think it is Michael Moore’s "experience" meaning it is true. Personally, I have gone through airport security and had my purse and carry-on bag go through while the person who should have been watching joked with others around them, but that is the only experience I can relate to. As far as being a Michael Moore fan – Don’t know a whole lot about him but I did like the movie "Roger and Me."  I guess he is one of those "you love him or hate him" types. Best, Luanne http://members.aol.com/luannep/adoption.htm http://members.aol.com/luannemarie/capage2.htm

Airport security is a joke.  Having gone through security in Stockholm (surrounded by soldiers with machine guns)  spending 5 hours on line in Amsterdam while people went through a gauntlet of interrogators, and Heathrow during Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait, (and don’t get me started on the pettiness of Russian security who spent their time confiscating old books and photographs as "national treasures–and cell phones to sell to their friends),  I can assure you that American airport security has been considered non-existant for years. More than a year ago Christopher Hitchens addressed just this issue in one of his Vanity Fair columns in which he pointed out that the real danger came from airport staff–especially the lower echelons such as baggage handlers and restaurant workers  who come and go as they please. As a side noet, a reporter friend of mine told me this story way back when Gerald Ford was president.  Ford was scheduled to make a stop at the Akron Canton airport.  All press were searched several times, their cameras taken apart etc.by the Secret Service.  The plane was taken taxied into a hangar and when Ford emerged, the doors to the hangar were immediately opened to the public who swarmed in, nearly knocking down the press corps. Marley Still in Eugene

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So, you’re saying that *none* of what he spoke of is true…actually happened?

Of course not. It’s just the usual whiny goo-goo liberal rant. How we supported the contras in their fight with the Sandy’s does NOT justify what happened at the WTC. steve reply to: steven[add the letter r]white[now put the number '1' in] at sign home dot com

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Airport security is a joke.

Absolutely. I flew through Bologna’s airport last year, and the Italian security police walk around with submachine guns. The x-ray equipment is manned by very serious people, and they question you while you walk through the security gate. I was on an internal EU flight, not an international, so it wasn’t because it was an overseas flight. As a side noet, a reporter friend of mine told me this story way back when Gerald Ford was president.  Ford was scheduled to make a stop at the Akron Canton airport.  All press were searched several times, their cameras taken apart etc.by the Secret Service.  The plane was taken taxied into a hangar and when Ford emerged, the doors to the hangar were immediately opened to the public who swarmed in, nearly knocking down the press corps.

I was THERE! I was going to college nearby, and went to that rally — evening before the election, one of Ford’s final stops. steve reply to: steven[add the letter r]white[now put the number '1' in] at sign home dot com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a side noet, a reporter friend of mine told me this story way back when Gerald Ford was president.  Ford was scheduled to make a stop at the Akron Canton airport.  All press were searched several times, their cameras taken apart etc.by the Secret Service.  The plane was taken taxied into a hangar and when Ford emerged, the doors to the hangar were immediately opened to the public who swarmed in, nearly knocking down the press corps. I was THERE! I was going to college nearby, and went to that rally — evening before the election, one of Ford’s final stops. steve

Steve, you have to be the only person I’ve ever enountered who not only attended a Ford rally, but admits it. <g J.

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I subscribe to a newsletter from a unique investigative reporter. His name is Michael Moore. Some of you may have heard of him from a couple of his tv shows or his movie "Roger and Me" This is what he had to say about the recent attacks. Read it…it’s very eye opening. Dear friends, I was supposed to fly today on the 4:30 PM American Airlines flight from LAX to JFK. But tonight I find myself stuck in L.A. with an incredible range of emotions over what has happened on the island where I work and live in New York City. My wife and I spent the first hours of the day — after being awakened by phone calls from our parents at 6:40am PT — trying to contact our daughter at school in New York and our friend JoAnn who works near the World Trade Center. I called JoAnn at her office. As someone picked up, the first tower imploded, and the person answering the phone screamed and ran out, leaving me no clue as to whether or not she or JoAnn would live. It was a sick, horrible, frightening day. On December 27, 1985 I found myself caught in the middle of a terrorist incident at the Vienna airport — which left 30 people dead, both there and at the Rome airport. (The machine-gunning of passengers in each city was timed to occur at the same moment.) I do not feel like discussing that event tonight because it still brings up too much despair and confusion as to how and why I got to live. a fluke, a mistake, a few feet on the tarmac, and I am still here, there but for the grace of. Safe. Secure. I’m an American, living in America. I like my illusions. I walk through a metal detector, I put my carry-ons through an x-ray machine, and I know all will be well. Here’s a short list of my experiences lately with airport security: * At the Newark Airport, the plane is late at boarding everyone. The counter can’t find my seat. So I am told to just "go ahead and get on" — without a ticket! * At Detroit Metro Airport, I don’t want to put the lunch I just bought at the deli through the x-ray machine so, as I pass through the metal detector, I hand the sack to the guard through the space between the detector and the x-ray machine. I tell him "It’s just a sandwich." He believes me and doesn’t bother to check. The sack has gone through neither security device. * At LaGuardia in New York, I check a piece of luggage, but decide to catch a later plane. The first plane leaves without me, but with my bag — no one knowing what is in it. * Back in Detroit, I take my time getting off the commuter plane. By the time I have come down its stairs, the bus that takes the passengers to the terminal has left — without me. I am alone on the tarmac, free to wander wherever I want. So I do. Eventually, I flag down a pick-up truck and an airplane mechanic gives me a ride the rest of the way to the terminal. * I have brought knives, razors; and once, my traveling companion brought a hammer and chisel. No one stopped us. Of course, I have gotten away with all of this because the airlines consider my safety SO important, they pay rent-a-cops $5.75 an hour to make sure the bad guys don’t get on my plane. That is what my life is worth — less than the cost of an oil change. Too harsh, you say? Well, chew on this: a first-year pilot on American Eagle (the commuter arm of American Airlines) receives around $15,000 a year in annual pay. That’s right — $15,000 for the person who has your life in his hands. Until recently, Continental Express paid a little over $13,000 a year. There was one guy, an American Eagle pilot, who had four kids so he went down to the welfare office and applied for food stamps — and he was eligible! Someone on welfare is flying my plane? Is this for real? Yes, it is. So spare me the talk about all the precautions the airlines and the FAA is taking. They, like all businesses, are concerned about one thing — the bottom line and the profit margin. Four teams of 3-5 people were all able to penetrate airport security on the same morning at 3 different airports and pull off this heinous act? My only response is — that’s all? Well, the pundits are in full diarrhea mode, gushing on about the "terrorist threat" and today’s scariest dude on planet earth — Osama bin Laden. Hey, who knows, maybe he did it. But, something just doesn’t add up. Am I being asked to believe that this guy who sleeps in a tent in a desert has been training pilots to fly our most modern, sophisticated jumbo jets with such pinpoint accuracy that they are able to hit these three targets without anyone wondering why these planes were so far off path? Or am I being asked to believe that there were four religious/political fanatics who JUST HAPPENED to be skilled airline pilots who JUST HAPPENED to want to kill themselves today? Maybe you can find one jumbo jet pilot willing to die for the cause — but FOUR? Ok, maybe you can — I don’t know. What I do know is that all day long I have heard everything about this bin Laden guy except this one fact — WE created the monster known as Osama bin Laden! Where did he go to terrorist school? At the CIA! Don’t take my word for it — I saw a piece on MSNBC last year that laid it all out. When the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan, the CIA trained him and his buddies in how to commits acts of terrorism against the Soviet forces. It worked! The Soviets turned and ran. Bin Laden was grateful for what we taught him and thought it might be fun to use those same techniques against us. We abhor terrorism — unless we’re the ones doing the terrorizing. We paid and trained and armed a group of terrorists in Nicaragua in the 1980s who killed over 30,000 civilians. That was OUR work. You and me. Thirty thousand murdered civilians and who the hell even remembers! We fund a lot of oppressive regimes that have killed a lot of innocent people, and we never let the human suffering THAT causes to interrupt our day one single bit. We have orphaned so many children, tens of thousands around the world, with our taxpayer-funded terrorism (in Chile, in Vietnam, in Gaza, in Salvador) that I suppose we shouldn’t be too surprised when those orphans grow up and are a little whacked in the head from the horror we have helped cause. Yet, our recent domestic terrorism bombings have not been conducted by a guy from the desert but rather by our own citizens: a couple of ex-military guys who hated the federal government.  From the first minutes of today’s events, I never heard that possibility suggested. Why is that? Maybe it’s because the A-rabs are much better foils. A key ingredient in getting Americans whipped into a frenzy against a new enemy is the all-important race card. It’s much easier to get us to hate when the object of our hatred doesn’t look like us. Congressmen and Senators spent the day calling for more money for the military; one Senator on CNN even said he didn’t want to hear any more talk about more money for education or health care — we should have only one priority: our self-defense. Will we ever get to the point that we realize we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn’t living in poverty so we can have nice running shoes? In just 8 months, Bush gets the whole world back to hating us again. He withdraws from the Kyoto agreement, walks us out of the Durban conference on racism, insists on restarting the arms race — you name it, and Baby Bush has blown it all. The Senators and Congressmen tonight broke out in a spontaneous version of "God Bless America." They’re not a bad group of singers! Yes, God, please do bless us. Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right. They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, DC, and the planes’ destination of California — these were places that voted AGAINST Bush! Why kill them? Why kill anyone? Such insanity. Let’s mourn, let’s grieve, and when it’s appropriate let’s examine our contribution to the unsafe world we live in. It doesn’t have to be like this. Yours, Michael Moore http://members.aol.com/luannep/adoption.htm http://members.aol.com/luannemarie/capage2.htm

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