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KURT COBAIN
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>uh, suicide IS a solution. it ends the life you don’t want to live anymore
I did phrase my question wrong (misused the word viable). But you’re still missing the point. What I’m saying is if he thinks suicide is ever a GOOD solution. — Mike
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> What I’m saying is if he thinks suicide is ever a GOOD >solution.
look, if i was blind, deaf, missing all my limbs, had a hole in the side of my head and kept vomiting every 7 minutes… i think that suicide would be a great solution. and obviously it just depends on the person. *LiZ* staring…@aol.com http://welcome.to/mysleep "The bottom line is that I’m a hermit and I’m totally in love with myself. I’m a self-centered, selfish prick who’s impossible to live with!" -Howard Stern
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>From: wizardw…@aol.com (Mike Watson) >Are you saying you endorse the idea of suicide? Do you think it’s a viable >solution? >– Mike
==sniff== sniff=== I smell a debate!!! : ) Pam
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>From: glass…@aol.communist (LiZ) >and obviously it just depends on the person. >*LiZ*
ditto…one cannot presume to know the depths of another’s pain. Pam
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>look, if i was blind, deaf, missing all my limbs, had a hole in the side of >my >head and kept vomiting every 7 minutes… >i think that suicide would be a great solution.
Yeah, exactly. But you’re still missing my point (my fault <blushing>). Lemme spell it out for ya: the question I was raising was whether he felt suicide was a good way of coping with SP (which I thought he was saying). THAT’S my question. >and obviously it just depends on the person. ?!?! <furrowed brow> — Mike
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MzPami wrote: > Eraserhead, > that’s Liz, we’ve come to accept her the way she is..: )
and that is YOUR problem, not mine… > The thing is, alot of her 1 or 2 word responses, actually speak volumes.
they speak volumes to those whom are as ignorant as yourself… > Another thing is, that everyone has their own style of writing, that’s hers. > would like it if someone came around and wanted you to change you’re stlye or > writing????
if you were only as intelligent as you might consider yourself… you just MAY have a clue as to what is going on… > OK I’ll butt out now.
you shouldn’t have ever "butt" in…
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>are you EVER fucking serious???
no fucking way!!! maybe like once a week for 10 minutes. *LiZ* staring…@aol.com http://welcome.to/mysleep "The bottom line is that I’m a hermit and I’m totally in love with myself. I’m a self-centered, selfish prick who’s impossible to live with!" -Howard Stern
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LiZ wrote: > uh, are you fucking serious?? LOL
the real question is : are you EVER fucking serious??? to quote yourself : "what is depression? standing up for myself to show that i’m human?" *LiZ*
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>From: glass…@aol.communist (LiZ) >.. your two word remarks are, >>at times (and this is one of them), not appropriate nor appreciated >>(not from me, anyways)… it is far too easy to scroll down the >>newsgroup and drop little two or three word expressions on others >>posts… how about posting something yourself with some content… >uh, are you fucking serious?? LOL >*LiZ*
Eraserhead, that’s Liz, we’ve come to accept her the way she is..: ) The thing is, alot of her 1 or 2 word responses, actually speak volumes. Another thing is, that everyone has their own style of writing, that’s hers. would like it if someone came around and wanted you to change you’re stlye or writing???? OK I’ll butt out now. Pam
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>> oh, jesus >although i had claimed that i would not respond to you again… there is >no need for this comment… if you are not interested in the post simply >do not read or respond to it… i practice what i just preached many >times over with certain posts by yourself… your two word remarks are, >at times (and this is one of them), not appropriate nor appreciated >(not from me, anyways)… it is far too easy to scroll down the >newsgroup and drop little two or three word expressions on others >posts… how about posting something yourself with some content…
uh, are you fucking serious?? LOL *LiZ* staring…@aol.com http://welcome.to/mysleep "The bottom line is that I’m a hermit and I’m totally in love with myself. I’m a self-centered, selfish prick who’s impossible to live with!" -Howard Stern
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Alcoholsux wrote: > oh, jesus
although i had claimed that i would not respond to you again… there is no need for this comment… if you are not interested in the post simply do not read or respond to it… i practice what i just preached many times over with certain posts by yourself… your two word remarks are, at times (and this is one of them), not appropriate nor appreciated (not from me, anyways)… it is far too easy to scroll down the newsgroup and drop little two or three word expressions on others posts… how about posting something yourself with some content…
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JimiJames wrote: > Actually it is very appropriate for this newsgroup
besides, who in the hell is trying to play gestapo around here (it’s getting ridiculous)… give me a break, it’s called conversation… Grachman posts on both "on-topic" and "off-topic" subjects (and still posts more "on-topic" than most around here despite his many "off-topic" posts)… this message was NOT meant to be directed toward JimiJames despite the fact that it happened to fall underneath this post…
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I should have mentioned. Try alt.rec.<whatever> like alt.rec.music.deadrockstars or something. Grachman Olajuwon wrote in message
<19990718032805.18342.00001…@ng-fl1.aol.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Don’t get all mad at me. >Is there some alt.music place? >>Subject: KURT COBAIN >>From: grac…@aol.comOLAJUWON (Grachman Olajuwon) >>Date: Sun, 18 July 1999 02:22 AM EDT >>Message-id: <19990718022235.18331.00001…@ng-fl1.aol.com> >>I knew there was something to his music, I just couldn’t get at it. >>Well, the composers have done melody, harmony, texture, rhythm, dynamics, >>etc. >>and all that. All very well and good. We are at a point where no one knows >>where to go. And besides, these are all technical things, aren’t they? >>But music is constrained by time. That is what the main thing is. >>From my book "THE ENJOYMENT OF MUSIC" by Joseph Machlis and Kristine Forney- >>"…music is an art that exists solely in time…" >>Hence, time- that is what music is about at its core. >>Well, Cobain worked on this. His rhythm isn’t the point, but he gave the >>"impression" that time was changing. That’s what his music was about. All >>that he did, all the sounds, dynamics, that’s what he was striving for. >>I am going to e- mail the "Webmaster" of a classical music site on this. We >>have had our chit- chats. He put some "Beatles" songs as his favorites of >>all >>time. I think I’ll talk to my prof also. >>All very well and good!!! >>Go ahead and give your honest opinion. I don’t mind. >——————————————————————- >Grachman. >Hi.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Grachman Olajuwon wrote: > I knew there was something to his music, I just couldn’t get at it. > Well, the composers have done melody, harmony, texture, rhythm, dynamics, etc. > and all that. All very well and good. We are at a point where no one knows > where to go. And besides, these are all technical things, aren’t they? > But music is constrained by time. That is what the main thing is. > From my book "THE ENJOYMENT OF MUSIC" by Joseph Machlis and Kristine Forney- > "…music isn art that exists solely in time…" > Hence, time- that is what music is about at its core. > Well, Cobain worked on this. His rhythm isn’t the point, but he gave the > "impression" that time was changing. That’s what his music was about. All > that he did, all the sounds, dynamics, that’s what he was striving for. > I am going to e- mail the "Webmaster" of a classical music site on this. We > have had our chit- chats. He put some "Beatles" songs as his favorites of all > time. I think I’ll talk to my prof also. > All very well and good!!! > Go ahead and give your honest opinion. I don’t mind.
i believe that you may be reading a bit more out of kurt’s music than he had any idea of creating… also, i can see that you are a cobain freak… and i enjoyed some of his music myself… but, he was hardly the messiah of rock (much less, music in general) that many pump him up to be (that goes for the "sacred" beatles that many hold as precious… the beatles were very talented songwriters, but it was their producer george martin who was the artistic "genius" that made the albums such as "sgt. pepppers…" etc so highly regarded artistically)… regardless, none of these rock musicians EVER were as brilliant as many would have you to believe… MANY were extremely talented, but their is a big difference between being very talented and brilliant… besides, 7-9 times out of 10… those whom are truly brilliant are not nearly as known as the ones who merely stole from them and received the "limelight"… which is certainly the case with both nirvana and the beatles (and most anyone else i can recall, for that matter)… it all comes down to : too much borrowing, not enough originality… music, as a whole, is a stale art… now, of course everyone and everything is borrowed from in order to create to some extent… but, music, in particular, is not much more than stale imitations of others… so, basically what i am saying : if one creates music, they are not going to be too original in by creating music itself is a stale form to exist within… which is why i, as an artist, saw this and moved away from being merely a musician within audio and have been focused on being an artist within audio (for the past 10 years and running)… music is far too much of a stale prison cell for a true artist to create in… far too many restrictions… now, with all of this said… i STILL absolutely LOVE music… but, it ALL has a familiarity to it… and i can not take it too serious as an art-form, generally (as there are a few cases that i can still take seriously… or, at least, i can look to the past and take something like musique concrete seriously as an art-form within music or sound)…
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oh, jesus – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->i believe that you may be reading a bit more out of kurt’s music than he >had any idea of creating… >also, i can see that you are a cobain freak… and i enjoyed some of his >music myself… but, he was hardly the messiah of rock (much less, music >in general) that many pump him up to be (that goes for the "sacred" >beatles that many hold as precious… the beatles were very talented >songwriters, but it was their producer george martin who was the >artistic "genius" that made the albums such as "sgt. pepppers…" etc so >highly regarded artistically)… regardless, none of these rock >musicians EVER were as brilliant as many would have you to believe… >MANY were extremely talented, but their is a big difference between >being very talented and brilliant… besides, 7-9 times out of 10… >those whom are truly brilliant are not nearly as known as the ones who >merely stole from them and received the "limelight"… which is >certainly the case with both nirvana and the beatles (and most anyone >else i can recall, for that matter)… it all comes down to : too much >borrowing, not enough originality… music, as a whole, is a stale >art… now, of course everyone and everything is borrowed from in order >to create to some extent… but, music, in particular, is not much more >than stale imitations of others… so, basically what i am saying : if >one creates music, they are not going to be too original in by creating >music itself is a stale form to exist within… which is why i, as an >artist, saw this and moved away from being merely a musician within >audio and have been focused on being an artist within audio (for the >past 10 years and running)… music is far too much of a stale prison >cell for a true artist to create in… far too many restrictions… >now, with all of this said… i STILL absolutely LOVE music… but, it >ALL has a familiarity to it… and i can not take it too serious as an >art-form, generally (as there are a few cases that i can still take >seriously… or, at least, i can look to the past and take something >like musique concrete seriously as an art-form within music or sound)…
*LiZ* glass…@aol.com http://welcome.to/mysleep
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>Are you saying you endorse the idea of suicide? Do you think it’s a viable >solution? >– Mike
uh, suicide IS a solution. it ends the life you don’t want to live anymore *LiZ* glass…@aol.com http://welcome.to/mysleep
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Actually it is very appropriate for this newsgroup, because he suffered from Depression and accompanying SP. He used drugs as his medication. And his famous quote "I hate myself, and I want to die" still rings in my ears, because I have felt like that for the past 18 months. I hate it when people say he killed himself just to become immortalised or was merely copying Jimi Hendrix, or Janice Joplin etc. He was just a troubled mentally ill person with magic musical ability who saw know other way out. It was extremely tragic and people who say killing yourself is selfish, cause your not thinking of your family, kids or friends are just ignorant dickheads who obviously have no understanding of depression. — ========= Russ. "Never deprive anyone of hope. It may be all they have" ========= Quade <b…@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Gsek3.998$2D1.23079@newsr2.san.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> huh? what newsgroup is this? > Grachman Olajuwon wrote > > I knew there was something to his music, I just couldn’t get at it. > > Well, the composers have done melody, harmony, texture, rhythm, dynamics, etc. > > and all that. All very well and good. We are at a point where no one knows > > where to go. And besides, these are all technical things, aren’t they? > > But music is constrained by time. That is what the main thing is. > > From my book "THE ENJOYMENT OF MUSIC" by Joseph Machlis and Kristine Forney- > > "…music isn art that exists solely in time…" > > Hence, time- that is what music is about at its core. > > Well, Cobain worked on this. His rhythm isn’t the point, but he gave the > > "impression" that time was changing. That’s what his music was about. All > > that he did, all the sounds, dynamics, that’s what he was striving for. > > I am going to e- mail the "Webmaster" of a classical music site on this. We > > have had our chit- chats. He put some "Beatles" songs as his favorites of all > > time. I think I’ll talk to my prof also. > > All very well and good!!! > > Go ahead and give your honest opinion. I don’t mind. > > ——————————————————————- > > Grachman. > > Nothin’ doin’ down here. > > I am going shopping to Old Navy.
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>Actually it is very appropriate for this newsgroup, because he suffered from >Depression and accompanying SP. He used drugs as his medication.
I thought he killed himself because he’d been living with a very painful stomach disease that made it hard for him to eat. > It was extremely >tragic and people who say killing yourself is selfish, cause your not >thinking of your family, kids or friends are just ignorant dickheads who >obviously have no understanding of depression.
Are you saying you endorse the idea of suicide? Do you think it’s a viable solution? — Mike
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I knew there was something to his music, I just couldn’t get at it. Well, the composers have done melody, harmony, texture, rhythm, dynamics, etc. and all that. All very well and good. We are at a point where no one knows where to go. And besides, these are all technical things, aren’t they? But music is constrained by time. That is what the main thing is. From my book "THE ENJOYMENT OF MUSIC" by Joseph Machlis and Kristine Forney- "…music isn art that exists solely in time…" Hence, time- that is what music is about at its core. Well, Cobain worked on this. His rhythm isn’t the point, but he gave the "impression" that time was changing. That’s what his music was about. All that he did, all the sounds, dynamics, that’s what he was striving for. I am going to e- mail the "Webmaster" of a classical music site on this. We have had our chit- chats. He put some "Beatles" songs as his favorites of all time. I think I’ll talk to my prof also. All very well and good!!! Go ahead and give your honest opinion. I don’t mind. ——————————————————————- Grachman. Nothin’ doin’ down here. I am going shopping to Old Navy.
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okay *LiZ* glass…@aol.com http://welcome.to/mysleep
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is there an alt.music? ——————————————————————- Grachman. Nothin’ doin’ down here. I am going shopping to Old Navy.
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Don’t get all mad at me. Is there some alt.music place? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: KURT COBAIN >From: grac…@aol.comOLAJUWON (Grachman Olajuwon) >Date: Sun, 18 July 1999 02:22 AM EDT >Message-id: <19990718022235.18331.00001…@ng-fl1.aol.com> >I knew there was something to his music, I just couldn’t get at it. >Well, the composers have done melody, harmony, texture, rhythm, dynamics, >etc. >and all that. All very well and good. We are at a point where no one knows >where to go. And besides, these are all technical things, aren’t they? >But music is constrained by time. That is what the main thing is. >From my book "THE ENJOYMENT OF MUSIC" by Joseph Machlis and Kristine Forney- >"…music is an art that exists solely in time…" >Hence, time- that is what music is about at its core. >Well, Cobain worked on this. His rhythm isn’t the point, but he gave the >"impression" that time was changing. That’s what his music was about. All >that he did, all the sounds, dynamics, that’s what he was striving for. >I am going to e- mail the "Webmaster" of a classical music site on this. We >have had our chit- chats. He put some "Beatles" songs as his favorites of >all >time. I think I’ll talk to my prof also. >All very well and good!!! >Go ahead and give your honest opinion. I don’t mind.
——————————————————————- Grachman. Hi.
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>From: grac…@aol.comOLAJUWON (Grachman Olajuwon) >Don’t get all mad at me. >Is there some alt.music place?
yes
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>Don’t get all mad at me. >Is there some alt.music place?
i’m sure there’s some nirvana websites with BB… and also, there’s a alt.music.cobain or whatever,. *LiZ* glass…@aol.com http://welcome.to/mysleep
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About a zillion. Grachman Olajuwon wrote in message
<19990718032805.18342.00001…@ng-fl1.aol.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Don’t get all mad at me. >Is there some alt.music place? >>Subject: KURT COBAIN >>From: grac…@aol.comOLAJUWON (Grachman Olajuwon) >>Date: Sun, 18 July 1999 02:22 AM EDT >>Message-id: <19990718022235.18331.00001…@ng-fl1.aol.com> >>I knew there was something to his music, I just couldn’t get at it. >>Well, the composers have done melody, harmony, texture, rhythm, dynamics, >>etc. >>and all that. All very well and good. We are at a point where no one knows >>where to go. And besides, these are all technical things, aren’t they? >>But music is constrained by time. That is what the main thing is. >>From my book "THE ENJOYMENT OF MUSIC" by Joseph Machlis and Kristine Forney- >>"…music is an art that exists solely in time…" >>Hence, time- that is what music is about at its core. >>Well, Cobain worked on this. His rhythm isn’t the point, but he gave the >>"impression" that time was changing. That’s what his music was about. All >>that he did, all the sounds, dynamics, that’s what he was striving for. >>I am going to e- mail the "Webmaster" of a classical music site on this. We >>have had our chit- chats. He put some "Beatles" songs as his favorites of >>all >>time. I think I’ll talk to my prof also. >>All very well and good!!! >>Go ahead and give your honest opinion. I don’t mind. >——————————————————————- >Grachman. >Hi.