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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @news20.bellglobal.com: I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated It was the Model T. There were three foot pedals; Left = clutch, Middle = reverse, Right = foot brake. The ‘clutch’ pedal disengaged the drive from top gear when pressed halfway down. Pushing it harder caused low gear to engage. So, to start up, one pushed the clutch pedal all the way in, revved up the engine, and having reached about l5mph, let the clutch pedal all the way out and high gear was engaged. To stop, one half depressed the clutch, thus releasing top gear, then used ‘brake’ as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched, then pushed the reverse pedal. The Model A that followed had a gear shift lever. Ron Another feature with the Ford model "T" was that if you had a real steep hill to climb, you had to do it in reverse. That was because the fuel tank was in front of the windshield and the fuel was a gravity feed to the carburetor. Going up a very steep hill would run the carb out of gas. My dad used to have a model "T" and told me about the three floor medals and the hill climbing he would do with the "T". Those were interesting times. Sorry, your answer is only 50% correct.  Yes, they backed up steep hills so the gravity feed would keep gas in the carb.  The tank was under the seat and there was no fuel pump. Harry K After you finish fighting over that (both locations are correct depending on year) the other 50% of the reason was because reverse was the highest ratio gear available. I have a webcam in the tropics http://ii.net/~farmerjim/

Thanks, I wasn’t aware of that never having seen one other than under the seat and really haven’t done much reading other than casual on the T. Harry K

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated Nope, that would be the Model *T* (1908-1927) The model T used a planetary transmission that had 2 forward gears and one reverse. It was foot controlled somewhat like a motorcycle, with three pedals poking out through the floorboards that operated the gearbox. One pedal controlled the clutch and forward ratio’s, one the reverse gear and the third pedal actuated a brake band within the gearbox itself (the T had no wheel brakes at all). I was fortunate enough to drive an original T some years ago on a farm, and it was an interesting experience to say the least The throttle was controlled by a lever on the steering wheel, and you set that to the rpm you wanted, and moved the ignition timing lever to a position were the engine sounded best. Next, you stabbed the "C" pedal to the floor quickly to engage first gear and hold the clutch out, and then released it slightly to let in the clutch and get moving. Once you were off you had to hold the pedal there until you were ready to shift into top gear, in which case you released the pedal completely and the car banged itself into high and chugged along. Stopping was as interesting as getting going, as the brake band was pissweak. You stepped on the "B" pedal as hard as you could to slow down while holding the "C" pedal to the floor, and with your third leg you stood on the "R" pedal if it was an emergency It seems completely foreign by today’s standards, but back in 1908 there weren’t all that many cars to be used to, so learning to drive the T was no different to learning to drive anything of today. It was also an extremely popular car in it’s time, and most people of the period knew how to operate one, even though other cars existed with "conventional" transmissions. The model A Ford appeared in 1928, and was equipped with a conventional 3 speed stick shift transmission. — Regards, Noddy.

Great answer and very accurate. You reminded me of the first time I drove a T as well. The experience was sure one to behold. Luggy

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How about the TT then? You forgot to mention it Ron.  :) The dear old Truck No missed that

Only in USA I think. Australia had the TT car — which I presume was a factory built hybrid that had at least some Model A running gear under a Model T body and which would have sold concurrently with the Model A.  I have no idea how many were built and I’m pretty sure the only one I’ve ever seen had a Model A transmission with the handbrake lever next to the driver’s door (same as a ‘28 Model A).  IIRC it also had a Model A dash, and definitely had Model A wheels. I doubt if the TT truck would ever have been seen here as car production only began in 1925.  Prior to that they were imported as a rolling chassis and the bodies were built by various body builders in various styles. At the end of factory production in 1927 there were obviously a lot of Model T body bits left over, which is probably where the TT came in….  It’s common to see factory Model A commercials (light trucks, pickups, buckboards, or whatever you might call them) with model T panels — rear guards (fenders) in particular.   — John H

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ya, model t, sorry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated Nope, that would be the Model *T* (1908-1927) The model T used a planetary transmission that had 2 forward gears and one reverse. It was foot controlled somewhat like a motorcycle, with three pedals poking out through the floorboards that operated the gearbox. One pedal controlled the clutch and forward ratio’s, one the reverse gear and the third pedal actuated a brake band within the gearbox itself (the T had no wheel brakes at all). I was fortunate enough to drive an original T some years ago on a farm, and it was an interesting experience to say the least The throttle was controlled by a lever on the steering wheel, and you set that to the rpm you wanted, and moved the ignition timing lever to a position were the engine sounded best. Next, you stabbed the "C" pedal to the floor quickly to engage first gear and hold the clutch out, and then released it slightly to let in the clutch and get moving. Once you were off you had to hold the pedal there until you were ready to shift into top gear, in which case you released the pedal completely and the car banged itself into high and chugged along. Stopping was as interesting as getting going, as the brake band was pissweak. You stepped on the "B" pedal as hard as you could to slow down while holding the "C" pedal to the floor, and with your third leg you stood on the "R" pedal if it was an emergency It seems completely foreign by today’s standards, but back in 1908 there weren’t all that many cars to be used to, so learning to drive the T was no different to learning to drive anything of today. It was also an extremely popular car in it’s time, and most people of the period knew how to operate one, even though other cars existed with "conventional" transmissions. The model A Ford appeared in 1928, and was equipped with a conventional 3 speed stick shift transmission. — Regards, Noddy.

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After you finish fighting over that (both locations are correct depending on year) the other 50% of the reason was because reverse was the highest ratio gear available.

That’d be the *lowest* — Regards, Noddy.

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After you finish fighting over that (both locations are correct depending on year) the other 50% of the reason was because reverse was the highest ratio gear available. That’d be the *lowest*

maybe it’s semantics? the highest _ratio_ , i.e. the lowest gear? — John McKenzie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @news20.bellglobal.com: I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated It was the Model T. There were three foot pedals; Left = clutch, Middle = reverse, Right = foot brake. The ‘clutch’ pedal disengaged the drive from top gear when pressed halfway down. Pushing it harder caused low gear to engage. So, to start up, one pushed the clutch pedal all the way in, revved up the engine, and having reached about l5mph, let the clutch pedal all the way out and high gear was engaged. To stop, one half depressed the clutch, thus releasing top gear, then used ‘brake’ as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched, then pushed the reverse pedal. The Model A that followed had a gear shift lever. Ron Another feature with the Ford model "T" was that if you had a real steep hill to climb, you had to do it in reverse. That was because the fuel tank was in front of the windshield and the fuel was a gravity feed to the carburetor. Going up a very steep hill would run the carb out of gas. My dad used to have a model "T" and told me about the three floor medals and the hill climbing he would do with the "T". Those were interesting times. Sorry, your answer is only 50% correct.  Yes, they backed up steep hills so the gravity feed would keep gas in the carb.  The tank was under the seat and there was no fuel pump. Harry K

After you finish fighting over that (both locations are correct depending on year) the other 50% of the reason was because reverse was the highest ratio gear available. I have a webcam in the tropics http://ii.net/~farmerjim/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @news20.bellglobal.com: I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated It was the Model T. There were three foot pedals; Left = clutch, Middle = reverse, Right = foot brake. The ‘clutch’ pedal disengaged the drive from top gear when pressed halfway down. Pushing it harder caused low gear to engage. So, to start up, one pushed the clutch pedal all the way in, revved up the engine, and having reached about l5mph, let the clutch pedal all the way out and high gear was engaged. To stop, one half depressed the clutch, thus releasing top gear, then used ‘brake’ as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched, then pushed the reverse pedal. The Model A that followed had a gear shift lever. Ron Another feature with the Ford model "T" was that if you had a real steep hill to climb, you had to do it in reverse. That was because the fuel tank was in front of the windshield and the fuel was a gravity feed to the carburetor. Going up a very steep hill would run the carb out of gas. My dad used to have a model "T" and told me about the three floor medals and the hill climbing he would do with the "T". Those were interesting times.

Sorry, your answer is only 50% correct.  Yes, they backed up steep hills so the gravity feed would keep gas in the carb.  The tank was under the seat and there was no fuel pump. Harry K

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Ron the Barbarian <Newsguy writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated Nope, that would be the Model *T* (1908-1927) The model T used a planetary transmission that had 2 forward gears and one reverse. It was foot controlled somewhat like a motorcycle, with three pedals poking out through the floorboards that operated the gearbox. One pedal controlled the clutch and forward ratio’s, one the reverse gear and the third pedal actuated a brake band within the gearbox itself (the T had no wheel brakes at all). I was fortunate enough to drive an original T some years ago on a farm, and it was an interesting experience to say the least The throttle was controlled by a lever on the steering wheel, and you set that to the rpm you wanted, and moved the ignition timing lever to a position were the engine sounded best. Next, you stabbed the "C" pedal to the floor quickly to engage first gear and hold the clutch out, and then released it slightly to let in the clutch and get moving. Once you were off you had to hold the pedal there until you were ready to shift into top gear, in which case you released the pedal completely and the car banged itself into high and chugged along. Stopping was as interesting as getting going, as the brake band was pissweak. You stepped on the "B" pedal as hard as you could to slow down while holding the "C" pedal to the floor, and with your third leg you stood on the "R" pedal if it was an emergency It seems completely foreign by today’s standards, but back in 1908 there weren’t all that many cars to be used to, so learning to drive the T was no different to learning to drive anything of today. It was also an extremely popular car in it’s time, and most people of the period knew how to operate one, even though other cars existed with "conventional" transmissions. The model A Ford appeared in 1928, and was equipped with a conventional 3 speed stick shift transmission. WOW! Noddy, you got that one correct Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ?

I would guess that the S might have had the same type of transmission, as it was quite similar to the T. The original A probably had some rubber-belt contraption. I think examples of each might be owned by the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. I know I’ve seen models S, K, and A there. — -Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.

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Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? I would guess that the S might have had the same type of transmission, as it was quite similar to the T. The original A probably had some rubber-belt contraption. I think examples of each might be owned by the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. I know I’ve seen models S, K, and A there.

The A was a chain driven two speed, powered by a twin cylinder engine. The following ones had a differentials. Model B had a 4 cylinder motor, Model C was an update of A, F was the last of the twin cylinder, two speed models. K replaced B with a six.  The N and R had 4 cyl motors and looked very similar to the T, except they had 2 speed transmissions. The last of the two speeds was the Model S, which was almost identical to the Model T. The Model T was the first with a 3 speed.

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Ron the Barbarian <Newsguy writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? I would guess that the S might have had the same type of transmission, as it was quite similar to the T. The original A probably had some rubber-belt contraption. I think examples of each might be owned by the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. I know I’ve seen models S, K, and A there. The A was a chain driven two speed, powered by a twin cylinder engine. The following ones had a differentials. Model B had a 4 cylinder motor, Model C was an update of A, F was the last of the twin cylinder, two speed models. K replaced B with a six.  The N and R had 4 cyl motors and looked very similar to the T, except they had 2 speed transmissions. The last of the two speeds was the Model S, which was almost identical to the Model T. The Model T was the first with a 3 speed.

Are you sure on that? I thought the 3 pedals were for low/high, reverse, and brake, and there were only 2 speeds. — -Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron the Barbarian <Newsguy writes: Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? I would guess that the S might have had the same type of transmission, as it was quite similar to the T. The original A probably had some rubber-belt contraption. I think examples of each might be owned by the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. I know I’ve seen models S, K, and A there. The A was a chain driven two speed, powered by a twin cylinder engine. The following ones had a differentials. Model B had a 4 cylinder motor, Model C was an update of A, F was the last of the twin cylinder, two speed models. K replaced B with a six.  The N and R had 4 cyl motors and looked very similar to the T, except they had 2 speed transmissions. The last of the two speeds was the Model S, which was almost identical to the Model T. The Model T was the first with a 3 speed. Are you sure on that? I thought the 3 pedals were for low/high, reverse, and brake, and there were only 2 speeds.

Sorry, you are correct. I was thinking of the pedals, The A that followed the T was the first 3 speed, using a gear lever.  I’m not sure how the earlier Fords with the twin pedals worked.  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @dnews.tpgi.com.au: Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? What about them exactly? Transmissions, Noddy ?

How about the TT then? You forgot to mention it Ron.  :) — John H

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @dnews.tpgi.com.au: Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? What about them exactly? Transmissions, Noddy ? How about the TT then? You forgot to mention it Ron.  :) — John H

The dear old Truck No missed that

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Ron the Barbarian <Newsguy writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @news20.bellglobal.com: I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated It was the Model T. There were three foot pedals; Left = clutch, Middle = reverse, Right = foot brake. The ‘clutch’ pedal disengaged the drive from top gear when pressed halfway down. Pushing it harder caused low gear to engage. So, to start up, one pushed the clutch pedal all the way in, revved up the engine, and having reached about l5mph, let the clutch pedal all the way out and high gear was engaged. To stop, one half depressed the clutch, thus releasing top gear, then used ‘brake’ as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched, then pushed the reverse pedal.

<supercilious Actually, the first ones had only two pedals; the foot brake (which I think operated on the driveshaft rather than directly on the wheels) was added to later models. </supercilious — -Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.

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I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated

No, the Model A (the second one, that is, the one from the ’30s) had a conventional 3-speed stickshift trans, you are thinking of the Model T, which did indeed have a 2-speed pedal operated planetary transmission. nate — replace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel

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Transmissions, Noddy ? I don’t know, I’d have to look them up. A "T" is the earliest car I’ve ever driven, and a pretty rooted one at that. I’ve never even *seen* the other things in the flesh, let alone know what they run.

Mostly twin cylinder motors with two speed transmissions. The K with a six was a dud, too expensive. Andre has some nice pics and info on the early Fords. http://www.ritzsite.net/FORD_1/02_eford.htm Ron

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@dnews.tpgi.com.au: Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? What about them exactly?

Transmissions, Noddy ?

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Transmissions, Noddy ?

I don’t know, I’d have to look them up. A "T" is the earliest car I’ve ever driven, and a pretty rooted one at that. I’ve never even *seen* the other things in the flesh, let alone know what they run. — Regards, Noddy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @news20.bellglobal.com: I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated It was the Model T. There were three foot pedals; Left = clutch, Middle = reverse, Right = foot brake. The ‘clutch’ pedal disengaged the drive from top gear when pressed halfway down. Pushing it harder caused low gear to engage. So, to start up, one pushed the clutch pedal all the way in, revved up the engine, and having reached about l5mph, let the clutch pedal all the way out and high gear was engaged. To stop, one half depressed the clutch, thus releasing top gear, then used ‘brake’ as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched, then pushed the reverse pedal. The Model A that followed had a gear shift lever. Ron

Another feature with the Ford model "T" was that if you had a real steep hill to climb, you had to do it in reverse. That was because the fuel tank was in front of the windshield and the fuel was a gravity feed to the carburetor. Going up a very steep hill would run the carb out of gas. My dad used to have a model "T" and told me about the three floor medals and the hill climbing he would do with the "T". Those were interesting times.

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Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ?

What about them exactly? — Regards, Noddy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated Nope, that would be the Model *T* (1908-1927) The model T used a planetary transmission that had 2 forward gears and one reverse. It was foot controlled somewhat like a motorcycle, with three pedals poking out through the floorboards that operated the gearbox. One pedal controlled the clutch and forward ratio’s, one the reverse gear and the third pedal actuated a brake band within the gearbox itself (the T had no wheel brakes at all). I was fortunate enough to drive an original T some years ago on a farm, and it was an interesting experience to say the least The throttle was controlled by a lever on the steering wheel, and you set that to the rpm you wanted, and moved the ignition timing lever to a position were the engine sounded best. Next, you stabbed the "C" pedal to the floor quickly to engage first gear and hold the clutch out, and then released it slightly to let in the clutch and get moving. Once you were off you had to hold the pedal there until you were ready to shift into top gear, in which case you released the pedal completely and the car banged itself into high and chugged along. Stopping was as interesting as getting going, as the brake band was pissweak. You stepped on the "B" pedal as hard as you could to slow down while holding the "C" pedal to the floor, and with your third leg you stood on the "R" pedal if it was an emergency It seems completely foreign by today’s standards, but back in 1908 there weren’t all that many cars to be used to, so learning to drive the T was no different to learning to drive anything of today. It was also an extremely popular car in it’s time, and most people of the period knew how to operate one, even though other cars existed with "conventional" transmissions. The model A Ford appeared in 1928, and was equipped with a conventional 3 speed stick shift transmission.

WOW! Noddy, you got that one correct Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ?

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I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated

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I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated

Nope, that would be the Model *T* (1908-1927) The model T used a planetary transmission that had 2 forward gears and one reverse. It was foot controlled somewhat like a motorcycle, with three pedals poking out through the floorboards that operated the gearbox. One pedal controlled the clutch and forward ratio’s, one the reverse gear and the third pedal actuated a brake band within the gearbox itself (the T had no wheel brakes at all). I was fortunate enough to drive an original T some years ago on a farm, and it was an interesting experience to say the least The throttle was controlled by a lever on the steering wheel, and you set that to the rpm you wanted, and moved the ignition timing lever to a position were the engine sounded best. Next, you stabbed the "C" pedal to the floor quickly to engage first gear and hold the clutch out, and then released it slightly to let in the clutch and get moving. Once you were off you had to hold the pedal there until you were ready to shift into top gear, in which case you released the pedal completely and the car banged itself into high and chugged along. Stopping was as interesting as getting going, as the brake band was pissweak. You stepped on the "B" pedal as hard as you could to slow down while holding the "C" pedal to the floor, and with your third leg you stood on the "R" pedal if it was an emergency It seems completely foreign by today’s standards, but back in 1908 there weren’t all that many cars to be used to, so learning to drive the T was no different to learning to drive anything of today. It was also an extremely popular car in it’s time, and most people of the period knew how to operate one, even though other cars existed with "conventional" transmissions. The model A Ford appeared in 1928, and was equipped with a conventional 3 speed stick shift transmission. — Regards, Noddy.

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@news20.bellglobal.com: I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated

It was the Model T. There were three foot pedals; Left = clutch, Middle = reverse, Right = foot brake. The ‘clutch’ pedal disengaged the drive from top gear when pressed halfway down. Pushing it harder caused low gear to engage. So, to start up, one pushed the clutch pedal all the way in, revved up the engine, and having reached about l5mph, let the clutch pedal all the way out and high gear was engaged. To stop, one half depressed the clutch, thus releasing top gear, then used ‘brake’ as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched, then pushed the reverse pedal. The Model A that followed had a gear shift lever. Ron

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After you finish fighting over that (both locations are correct depending on year) the other 50% of the reason was because reverse was the highest ratio gear available.

That’d be the *lowest* — Regards, Noddy.

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After you finish fighting over that (both locations are correct depending on year) the other 50% of the reason was because reverse was the highest ratio gear available. That’d be the *lowest*

maybe it’s semantics? the highest _ratio_ , i.e. the lowest gear? — John McKenzie

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ya, model t, sorry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated Nope, that would be the Model *T* (1908-1927) The model T used a planetary transmission that had 2 forward gears and one reverse. It was foot controlled somewhat like a motorcycle, with three pedals poking out through the floorboards that operated the gearbox. One pedal controlled the clutch and forward ratio’s, one the reverse gear and the third pedal actuated a brake band within the gearbox itself (the T had no wheel brakes at all). I was fortunate enough to drive an original T some years ago on a farm, and it was an interesting experience to say the least The throttle was controlled by a lever on the steering wheel, and you set that to the rpm you wanted, and moved the ignition timing lever to a position were the engine sounded best. Next, you stabbed the "C" pedal to the floor quickly to engage first gear and hold the clutch out, and then released it slightly to let in the clutch and get moving. Once you were off you had to hold the pedal there until you were ready to shift into top gear, in which case you released the pedal completely and the car banged itself into high and chugged along. Stopping was as interesting as getting going, as the brake band was pissweak. You stepped on the "B" pedal as hard as you could to slow down while holding the "C" pedal to the floor, and with your third leg you stood on the "R" pedal if it was an emergency It seems completely foreign by today’s standards, but back in 1908 there weren’t all that many cars to be used to, so learning to drive the T was no different to learning to drive anything of today. It was also an extremely popular car in it’s time, and most people of the period knew how to operate one, even though other cars existed with "conventional" transmissions. The model A Ford appeared in 1928, and was equipped with a conventional 3 speed stick shift transmission. — Regards, Noddy.

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How about the TT then? You forgot to mention it Ron.  :) The dear old Truck No missed that

Only in USA I think. Australia had the TT car — which I presume was a factory built hybrid that had at least some Model A running gear under a Model T body and which would have sold concurrently with the Model A.  I have no idea how many were built and I’m pretty sure the only one I’ve ever seen had a Model A transmission with the handbrake lever next to the driver’s door (same as a ‘28 Model A).  IIRC it also had a Model A dash, and definitely had Model A wheels. I doubt if the TT truck would ever have been seen here as car production only began in 1925.  Prior to that they were imported as a rolling chassis and the bodies were built by various body builders in various styles. At the end of factory production in 1927 there were obviously a lot of Model T body bits left over, which is probably where the TT came in….  It’s common to see factory Model A commercials (light trucks, pickups, buckboards, or whatever you might call them) with model T panels — rear guards (fenders) in particular.   — John H

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @news20.bellglobal.com: I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated It was the Model T. There were three foot pedals; Left = clutch, Middle = reverse, Right = foot brake. The ‘clutch’ pedal disengaged the drive from top gear when pressed halfway down. Pushing it harder caused low gear to engage. So, to start up, one pushed the clutch pedal all the way in, revved up the engine, and having reached about l5mph, let the clutch pedal all the way out and high gear was engaged. To stop, one half depressed the clutch, thus releasing top gear, then used ‘brake’ as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched, then pushed the reverse pedal. The Model A that followed had a gear shift lever. Ron Another feature with the Ford model "T" was that if you had a real steep hill to climb, you had to do it in reverse. That was because the fuel tank was in front of the windshield and the fuel was a gravity feed to the carburetor. Going up a very steep hill would run the carb out of gas. My dad used to have a model "T" and told me about the three floor medals and the hill climbing he would do with the "T". Those were interesting times. Sorry, your answer is only 50% correct.  Yes, they backed up steep hills so the gravity feed would keep gas in the carb.  The tank was under the seat and there was no fuel pump. Harry K

After you finish fighting over that (both locations are correct depending on year) the other 50% of the reason was because reverse was the highest ratio gear available. I have a webcam in the tropics http://ii.net/~farmerjim/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @news20.bellglobal.com: I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated It was the Model T. There were three foot pedals; Left = clutch, Middle = reverse, Right = foot brake. The ‘clutch’ pedal disengaged the drive from top gear when pressed halfway down. Pushing it harder caused low gear to engage. So, to start up, one pushed the clutch pedal all the way in, revved up the engine, and having reached about l5mph, let the clutch pedal all the way out and high gear was engaged. To stop, one half depressed the clutch, thus releasing top gear, then used ‘brake’ as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched, then pushed the reverse pedal. The Model A that followed had a gear shift lever. Ron Another feature with the Ford model "T" was that if you had a real steep hill to climb, you had to do it in reverse. That was because the fuel tank was in front of the windshield and the fuel was a gravity feed to the carburetor. Going up a very steep hill would run the carb out of gas. My dad used to have a model "T" and told me about the three floor medals and the hill climbing he would do with the "T". Those were interesting times.

Sorry, your answer is only 50% correct.  Yes, they backed up steep hills so the gravity feed would keep gas in the carb.  The tank was under the seat and there was no fuel pump. Harry K

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @dnews.tpgi.com.au: Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? What about them exactly? Transmissions, Noddy ?

How about the TT then? You forgot to mention it Ron.  :) — John H

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @dnews.tpgi.com.au: Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? What about them exactly? Transmissions, Noddy ? How about the TT then? You forgot to mention it Ron.  :) — John H

The dear old Truck No missed that

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron the Barbarian <Newsguy writes: Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? I would guess that the S might have had the same type of transmission, as it was quite similar to the T. The original A probably had some rubber-belt contraption. I think examples of each might be owned by the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. I know I’ve seen models S, K, and A there. The A was a chain driven two speed, powered by a twin cylinder engine. The following ones had a differentials. Model B had a 4 cylinder motor, Model C was an update of A, F was the last of the twin cylinder, two speed models. K replaced B with a six.  The N and R had 4 cyl motors and looked very similar to the T, except they had 2 speed transmissions. The last of the two speeds was the Model S, which was almost identical to the Model T. The Model T was the first with a 3 speed. Are you sure on that? I thought the 3 pedals were for low/high, reverse, and brake, and there were only 2 speeds.

Sorry, you are correct. I was thinking of the pedals, The A that followed the T was the first 3 speed, using a gear lever.  I’m not sure how the earlier Fords with the twin pedals worked.  

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I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated Nope, that would be the Model *T* (1908-1927)

I understand the T didn’t have a gasd gauge either, at least originally. You had to take the seat off the car, and stick a long dipstick into a tank beneath said seat to measure how much fuel was left in the car. Guess it didn’t have a CD player, either.   John — To reply, remove "die.spammers" from address Von Herzen, moge es wieder zu Herzen gehen.  –Beethoven

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<snip I understand the T didn’t have a gasd gauge either, at least originally. You had to take the seat off the car, and stick a long dipstick into a tank beneath said seat to measure how much fuel was left in the car.

Yup. There were aftermarket devices that included both a filler neck extension (to the front edge of the seat cushion, so that you could fill the tank without removing the seat cushion) and a gauge.  The second Model A dealt with the problem by putting the fuel tank in the cowl, so a gauge on the rear of the tank was visible on the instrument panel. But it remained for a University of Michigan professor named King to invent a practical remote-reading fuel gauge. The King-Seeley company was founded in Ann Arbor to manufacture it. <snip — -Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.

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Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? I would guess that the S might have had the same type of transmission, as it was quite similar to the T. The original A probably had some rubber-belt contraption. I think examples of each might be owned by the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. I know I’ve seen models S, K, and A there.

The A was a chain driven two speed, powered by a twin cylinder engine. The following ones had a differentials. Model B had a 4 cylinder motor, Model C was an update of A, F was the last of the twin cylinder, two speed models. K replaced B with a six.  The N and R had 4 cyl motors and looked very similar to the T, except they had 2 speed transmissions. The last of the two speeds was the Model S, which was almost identical to the Model T. The Model T was the first with a 3 speed.

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Ron the Barbarian <Newsguy writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? I would guess that the S might have had the same type of transmission, as it was quite similar to the T. The original A probably had some rubber-belt contraption. I think examples of each might be owned by the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. I know I’ve seen models S, K, and A there. The A was a chain driven two speed, powered by a twin cylinder engine. The following ones had a differentials. Model B had a 4 cylinder motor, Model C was an update of A, F was the last of the twin cylinder, two speed models. K replaced B with a six.  The N and R had 4 cyl motors and looked very similar to the T, except they had 2 speed transmissions. The last of the two speeds was the Model S, which was almost identical to the Model T. The Model T was the first with a 3 speed.

Are you sure on that? I thought the 3 pedals were for low/high, reverse, and brake, and there were only 2 speeds. — -Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.

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Ron the Barbarian <Newsguy writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated Nope, that would be the Model *T* (1908-1927) The model T used a planetary transmission that had 2 forward gears and one reverse. It was foot controlled somewhat like a motorcycle, with three pedals poking out through the floorboards that operated the gearbox. One pedal controlled the clutch and forward ratio’s, one the reverse gear and the third pedal actuated a brake band within the gearbox itself (the T had no wheel brakes at all). I was fortunate enough to drive an original T some years ago on a farm, and it was an interesting experience to say the least The throttle was controlled by a lever on the steering wheel, and you set that to the rpm you wanted, and moved the ignition timing lever to a position were the engine sounded best. Next, you stabbed the "C" pedal to the floor quickly to engage first gear and hold the clutch out, and then released it slightly to let in the clutch and get moving. Once you were off you had to hold the pedal there until you were ready to shift into top gear, in which case you released the pedal completely and the car banged itself into high and chugged along. Stopping was as interesting as getting going, as the brake band was pissweak. You stepped on the "B" pedal as hard as you could to slow down while holding the "C" pedal to the floor, and with your third leg you stood on the "R" pedal if it was an emergency It seems completely foreign by today’s standards, but back in 1908 there weren’t all that many cars to be used to, so learning to drive the T was no different to learning to drive anything of today. It was also an extremely popular car in it’s time, and most people of the period knew how to operate one, even though other cars existed with "conventional" transmissions. The model A Ford appeared in 1928, and was equipped with a conventional 3 speed stick shift transmission. WOW! Noddy, you got that one correct Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ?

I would guess that the S might have had the same type of transmission, as it was quite similar to the T. The original A probably had some rubber-belt contraption. I think examples of each might be owned by the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. I know I’ve seen models S, K, and A there. — -Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.

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Ron the Barbarian <Newsguy writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @news20.bellglobal.com: I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated It was the Model T. There were three foot pedals; Left = clutch, Middle = reverse, Right = foot brake. The ‘clutch’ pedal disengaged the drive from top gear when pressed halfway down. Pushing it harder caused low gear to engage. So, to start up, one pushed the clutch pedal all the way in, revved up the engine, and having reached about l5mph, let the clutch pedal all the way out and high gear was engaged. To stop, one half depressed the clutch, thus releasing top gear, then used ‘brake’ as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched, then pushed the reverse pedal.

<supercilious Actually, the first ones had only two pedals; the foot brake (which I think operated on the driveshaft rather than directly on the wheels) was added to later models. </supercilious — -Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.

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Transmissions, Noddy ? I don’t know, I’d have to look them up. A "T" is the earliest car I’ve ever driven, and a pretty rooted one at that. I’ve never even *seen* the other things in the flesh, let alone know what they run.

Mostly twin cylinder motors with two speed transmissions. The K with a six was a dud, too expensive. Andre has some nice pics and info on the early Fords. http://www.ritzsite.net/FORD_1/02_eford.htm Ron

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I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated

No, the Model A (the second one, that is, the one from the ’30s) had a conventional 3-speed stickshift trans, you are thinking of the Model T, which did indeed have a 2-speed pedal operated planetary transmission. nate — replace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel

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Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ?

What about them exactly? — Regards, Noddy.

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@dnews.tpgi.com.au: Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? What about them exactly?

Transmissions, Noddy ?

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Transmissions, Noddy ?

I don’t know, I’d have to look them up. A "T" is the earliest car I’ve ever driven, and a pretty rooted one at that. I’ve never even *seen* the other things in the flesh, let alone know what they run. — Regards, Noddy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @news20.bellglobal.com: I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated It was the Model T. There were three foot pedals; Left = clutch, Middle = reverse, Right = foot brake. The ‘clutch’ pedal disengaged the drive from top gear when pressed halfway down. Pushing it harder caused low gear to engage. So, to start up, one pushed the clutch pedal all the way in, revved up the engine, and having reached about l5mph, let the clutch pedal all the way out and high gear was engaged. To stop, one half depressed the clutch, thus releasing top gear, then used ‘brake’ as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched, then pushed the reverse pedal. The Model A that followed had a gear shift lever. Ron

Another feature with the Ford model "T" was that if you had a real steep hill to climb, you had to do it in reverse. That was because the fuel tank was in front of the windshield and the fuel was a gravity feed to the carburetor. Going up a very steep hill would run the carb out of gas. My dad used to have a model "T" and told me about the three floor medals and the hill climbing he would do with the "T". Those were interesting times.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated Nope, that would be the Model *T* (1908-1927) The model T used a planetary transmission that had 2 forward gears and one reverse. It was foot controlled somewhat like a motorcycle, with three pedals poking out through the floorboards that operated the gearbox. One pedal controlled the clutch and forward ratio’s, one the reverse gear and the third pedal actuated a brake band within the gearbox itself (the T had no wheel brakes at all). I was fortunate enough to drive an original T some years ago on a farm, and it was an interesting experience to say the least The throttle was controlled by a lever on the steering wheel, and you set that to the rpm you wanted, and moved the ignition timing lever to a position were the engine sounded best. Next, you stabbed the "C" pedal to the floor quickly to engage first gear and hold the clutch out, and then released it slightly to let in the clutch and get moving. Once you were off you had to hold the pedal there until you were ready to shift into top gear, in which case you released the pedal completely and the car banged itself into high and chugged along. Stopping was as interesting as getting going, as the brake band was pissweak. You stepped on the "B" pedal as hard as you could to slow down while holding the "C" pedal to the floor, and with your third leg you stood on the "R" pedal if it was an emergency It seems completely foreign by today’s standards, but back in 1908 there weren’t all that many cars to be used to, so learning to drive the T was no different to learning to drive anything of today. It was also an extremely popular car in it’s time, and most people of the period knew how to operate one, even though other cars existed with "conventional" transmissions. The model A Ford appeared in 1928, and was equipped with a conventional 3 speed stick shift transmission.

WOW! Noddy, you got that one correct Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,  1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ?

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@news20.bellglobal.com: I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated

It was the Model T. There were three foot pedals; Left = clutch, Middle = reverse, Right = foot brake. The ‘clutch’ pedal disengaged the drive from top gear when pressed halfway down. Pushing it harder caused low gear to engage. So, to start up, one pushed the clutch pedal all the way in, revved up the engine, and having reached about l5mph, let the clutch pedal all the way out and high gear was engaged. To stop, one half depressed the clutch, thus releasing top gear, then used ‘brake’ as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched, then pushed the reverse pedal. The Model A that followed had a gear shift lever. Ron

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I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated

Nope, that would be the Model *T* (1908-1927) The model T used a planetary transmission that had 2 forward gears and one reverse. It was foot controlled somewhat like a motorcycle, with three pedals poking out through the floorboards that operated the gearbox. One pedal controlled the clutch and forward ratio’s, one the reverse gear and the third pedal actuated a brake band within the gearbox itself (the T had no wheel brakes at all). I was fortunate enough to drive an original T some years ago on a farm, and it was an interesting experience to say the least The throttle was controlled by a lever on the steering wheel, and you set that to the rpm you wanted, and moved the ignition timing lever to a position were the engine sounded best. Next, you stabbed the "C" pedal to the floor quickly to engage first gear and hold the clutch out, and then released it slightly to let in the clutch and get moving. Once you were off you had to hold the pedal there until you were ready to shift into top gear, in which case you released the pedal completely and the car banged itself into high and chugged along. Stopping was as interesting as getting going, as the brake band was pissweak. You stepped on the "B" pedal as hard as you could to slow down while holding the "C" pedal to the floor, and with your third leg you stood on the "R" pedal if it was an emergency It seems completely foreign by today’s standards, but back in 1908 there weren’t all that many cars to be used to, so learning to drive the T was no different to learning to drive anything of today. It was also an extremely popular car in it’s time, and most people of the period knew how to operate one, even though other cars existed with "conventional" transmissions. The model A Ford appeared in 1928, and was equipped with a conventional 3 speed stick shift transmission. — Regards, Noddy.

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I don’t know if anybody can answer this but i’ll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a’s didn’t use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it’s not then what did they do? it’s just a question i’ve been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated

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