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My times over longer distances have come down to the 8:10-8:30 mark, and even 12 miles I can keep it under 9 min/mile, but I’ve never run under 8 for anything over a couple of miles. 8:10 feels like a nice pace, 7:45 feels like I’m all arms and legs.

Interesting. My training and race paces are a lot wider apart. Like I usually run between 9:00 and 9:30 for most of my training runs, sometimes a couple miles or so at 8:30; my 5k race pace is around 7:30. It feels terrible, but races aren’t meant to feel comfy, right? *g* I’ve actually been wondering if I train too slowly. Who knows. nina

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just heard today of someone who took a cold shower at the end of a 34 mile walk (on a hot day recently) and collapsed. Although I don’t know any details, the suggestion was that it was the cold water that caused problems – a few other people said he should have taken a hot/warm shower. Paul, I bet he was in deep shit at the end and the cold shower, while a good idea, was past the point of preventing his collapse. Ask any EMT at a hot race what they do when people are in trouble when they finish. COLD water and get their core temp down as fast a possible. A hot/warm shower would be a disaster. Add heat to an over heated person – I think not! Yes – I always thought that if someone was overheated, the thing to do was to cool them down. This is what I do with my kids if they have a fever, but gently rather than suddenly. However, I’ve also heard people say that sudden cooling can be a shock – I’m not medically minded, but I suppose it could be a shock to the heart or brain? Is there anything in this? Should cooling be done gradually?

From what I understand, no!!!  My wife got the viral form of menangitis and we went in into the emergency room with a 105 fever and going up. Obviously she was delerious and let’s just say she was sicker than a pig.  The first thing they did was give her an alcohol bath/rubdown followed by having her lay down on a bed of ice (with blankets of course) to get her temperature down.  The risk of damage from a high temp was far greater than the risk of a shock from cooling too quickly. The alcohol bath and two IV bags helped a lot.  During the second bag, she became lucid, sat up, and said "wow, I have to go to the bathroom." We were instructed that getting the temperature down was priority one. David Olsen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Paul

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Roger Many thanks for that advice,

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I just heard today of someone who took a cold shower at the end of a 34 mile walk (on a hot day recently) and collapsed. Although I don’t know any details, the suggestion was that it was the cold water that caused problems – a few other people said he should have taken a hot/warm shower.

Paul, I bet he was in deep shit at the end and the cold shower, while a good idea, was past the point of preventing his collapse. Ask any EMT at a hot race what they do when people are in trouble when they finish. COLD water and get their core temp down as fast a possible. A hot/warm shower would be a disaster. Add heat to an over heated person – I think not! — Caveat Lector "the further you go outside, the further you go inside" – B. McKibben Doug Freese

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just heard today of someone who took a cold shower at the end of a 34 mile walk (on a hot day recently) and collapsed. Although I don’t know any details, the suggestion was that it was the cold water that caused problems – a few other people said he should have taken a hot/warm shower. Paul, I bet he was in deep shit at the end and the cold shower, while a good idea, was past the point of preventing his collapse. Ask any EMT at a hot race what they do when people are in trouble when they finish. COLD water and get their core temp down as fast a possible. A hot/warm shower would be a disaster. Add heat to an over heated person – I think not!

Yes – I always thought that if someone was overheated, the thing to do was to cool them down. This is what I do with my kids if they have a fever, but gently rather than suddenly. However, I’ve also heard people say that sudden cooling can be a shock – I’m not medically minded, but I suppose it could be a shock to the heart or brain? Is there anything in this? Should cooling be done gradually? Paul

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Layne Well like I said, in the pre-race "coral" there were signs reading "Under 35 minutes", "Under 40 minutes" and "Over 40 minutes" but then we moved forward 60 or 70 yards to the line so I guess it all got a bit messed up. I just found out my official time was 50:59 and I was 434/728 I’d like to get into the top half of the finishers, and to do that I’d have needed to run 48 mins, so a good deal faster. Cheers Rob PS. Like the bit about the M&Ms

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Layne Was there a problem with faster/slower runners at the start/midpoint/finish line? On the whole, no. The start WAS crowded, but then how _do_ you get 1000 eager people away with no problems. The first KM was 30 seconds slower than I’d have liked, but none of it really matters. There were a few people who didn’t look like regular runners and had clearly started rather optimistically near the front, but I guess that always happens. If you’ve never run 10K before how do you know how long it will take? Good point. The RD can be a big help here (if the RD can be heard) by having the walkers move to one side or the other and the slower runners to the back. I can’t remember ever hearing runners complain because they’ve been asked to move back to my area. At the mid-point it wasn’t a problem. There was a long section where we ran inward-bound and outward bound on opposite sides of the road but other than being rubbing salt in the wound (on my way in the outward runners were sh*t-hot and on my way out the in-bound tail enders looked wasted) I’ve asked a few of the speedsters from around here if they ever notice people that they’re meeting on a return leg. Most of them said No. I’ve learned not to holler at friends when I meet them since it seems to throw them off. I wouldn’t know about the tail enders since I’m one of them (not having your speed). The finish was fine. No bunching and I guess at 50-ish minutes I’m in the modal-point (if sadly not the median) of the pack, so if it was going to be bad I’d have expected to be in the thick of it. Trust me, there’s some real pain behind you, too. My understanding is that the finish crowding in a 10K is arounf 40 minutes but I wouldn’t know first hand. There’s been lots of room for my 60-65 minute finishes. I’m still a rookie to this (it was only my 2nd ever race) but it’s definitely one I’d do again. Good. You really did a good job with it. These events are like M&Ms – it’s hard to enjoy just one. Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at

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Roger Many thanks for that advice, and thank you for taking the time to write it. I’ll give it some thought, but geez, I’d hate to break a sweat. Rob

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Nina I know it’s do-able, but 8 min/mile has been a bit of a barrier for a while. I’m hoping that joining my running club (which I did a few weeks ago) will push me harder than I do when I run alone. My times over longer distances have come down to the 8:10-8:30 mark, and even 12 miles I can keep it under 9 min/mile, but I’ve never run under 8 for anything over a couple of miles. 8:10 feels like a nice pace, 7:45 feels like I’m all arms and legs. I’m working on it, but each time I run, there it is over 8 again. (I even got some 8:01, and 8:02 mile averages) Cheers Rob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only question now is can I get under the 8 min/mile (5 min/km) barrier. What kind of a question is that?  To reference a different thread – "Do, or do not. There is no try." Thanks for the report, and congrats on a race well run, Rob; if you can run like this with hardly any prep – wow! nina

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The only question now is can I get under the 8 min/mile (5 min/km) barrier.

What kind of a question is that?  To reference a different thread – "Do, or do not. There is no try." Thanks for the report, and congrats on a race well run, Rob; if you can run like this with hardly any prep – wow! nina

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Layne Was there a problem with faster/slower runners at the start/midpoint/finish line? On the whole, no. The start WAS crowded, but then how _do_ you get 1000 eager people away with no problems. The first KM was 30 seconds slower than I’d have liked, but none of it really matters. There were a few people who didn’t look like regular runners and had clearly started rather optimistically near the front, but I guess that always happens. If you’ve never run 10K before how do you know how long it will take?

Good point. The RD can be a big help here (if the RD can be heard) by having the walkers move to one side or the other and the slower runners to the back. I can’t remember ever hearing runners complain because they’ve been asked to move back to my area. At the mid-point it wasn’t a problem. There was a long section where we ran inward-bound and outward bound on opposite sides of the road but other than being rubbing salt in the wound (on my way in the outward runners were sh*t-hot and on my way out the in-bound tail enders looked wasted)

I’ve asked a few of the speedsters from around here if they ever notice people that they’re meeting on a return leg. Most of them said No. I’ve learned not to holler at friends when I meet them since it seems to throw them off. I wouldn’t know about the tail enders since I’m one of them (not having your speed). The finish was fine. No bunching and I guess at 50-ish minutes I’m in the modal-point (if sadly not the median) of the pack, so if it was going to be bad I’d have expected to be in the thick of it.

Trust me, there’s some real pain behind you, too. My understanding is that the finish crowding in a 10K is arounf 40 minutes but I wouldn’t know first hand. There’s been lots of room for my 60-65 minute finishes. I’m still a rookie to this (it was only my 2nd ever race) but it’s definitely one I’d do again.

Good. You really did a good job with it. These events are like M&Ms – it’s hard to enjoy just one. Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Pour gallons of water or stand under a hose. Other than possible wet feet or lost time if you stopped, it will do NO harm. If there a question, it is – how much good will it do?  If one’s core temp is high very little will be accomplished by dumping a cup or two over your head.

I just heard today of someone who took a cold shower at the end of a 34 mile walk (on a hot day recently) and collapsed. Although I don’t know any details, the suggestion was that it was the cold water that caused problems – a few other people said he should have taken a hot/warm shower. Paul

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Dot Unlike my previous race (1/2 marathon) I knew I could do the distance. Also the hot weather training did give me a mental edge that I lacked last time. The other mistake I made in the 1/2 was to pour water over my head, and I know now that this is wrong. It can stop the body’s natural sweat response, so however pleasing it might have been I avoided the urge.

Got any references for that Rob?  Sounds rather like hokum to me.  I’m not saying you’re wrong but I’ve never come across this advice before. Certainly pouring water over your head can cause other problems as I’ve found after suffering the abrasive effects of wet material. The only question now is can I get under the 8 min/mile (5 min/km) barrier.

Sure you can Until recently, 51 minutes was my PB for 10k of 9 years standing.  Since joining a club this year (and running a lot *less*) I’m down to 45 minutes. Cheers Tim

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Tim <<Got any references for that Rob? Nope. I think it was in this forum after I had mentioned it in a post. It seemed to make sense, and certainly even with water on my head I had struggled big-time in the race, so not doing it seemed to be a no-cost option.

Pour gallons of water or stand under a hose. Other than possible wet feet or lost time if you stopped, it will do NO harm. If there a question, it is – how much good will it do?  If one’s core temp is high very little will be accomplished by dumping a cup or two over your head. I’ve a couple of 5 mile races then a 10K in a few weeks time, but I’ve heard it’s hilly, so I might struggle to repeat my time.

Add hill repeats to your training and give yourself physical strength and confidence race day. — Caveat Lector "the further you go outside, the further you go inside" – B. McKibben Doug Freese

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Dot Unlike my previous race (1/2 marathon) I knew I could do the distance. Also the hot weather training did give me a mental edge that I lacked last time. The other mistake I made in the 1/2 was to pour water over my head, and I know now that this is wrong. It can stop the body’s natural sweat response, so however pleasing it might have been I avoided the urge. The only question now is can I get under the 8 min/mile (5 min/km) barrier. Cheers Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Location: Hatfield Broad Oak (A village in Essex England) Distance 10K Size: Not sure, but probably around 1000 (there were about 950 finishers last year) … * I knew I’d run in hotter conditions. * I took my water this time. * Mentally, I know I’d be alright. Rob, Congratulations on a great race! Sounds like you had fun and were at least mentally prepared. Dot

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Tim <<Got any references for that Rob? Nope. I think it was in this forum after I had mentioned it in a post. It seemed to make sense, and certainly even with water on my head I had struggled big-time in the race, so not doing it seemed to be a no-cost option. I’ve a couple of 5 mile races then a 10K in a few weeks time, but I’ve heard it’s hilly, so I might struggle to repeat my time. Rob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dot Unlike my previous race (1/2 marathon) I knew I could do the distance. Also the hot weather training did give me a mental edge that I lacked last time. The other mistake I made in the 1/2 was to pour water over my head, and I know now that this is wrong. It can stop the body’s natural sweat response, so however pleasing it might have been I avoided the urge. Got any references for that Rob?  Sounds rather like hokum to me.  I’m not saying you’re wrong but I’ve never come across this advice before. Certainly pouring water over your head can cause other problems as I’ve found after suffering the abrasive effects of wet material. The only question now is can I get under the 8 min/mile (5 min/km) barrier. Sure you can Until recently, 51 minutes was my PB for 10k of 9 years standing.  Since joining a club this year (and running a lot *less*) I’m down to 45 minutes. Cheers Tim

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Location: Hatfield Broad Oak (A village in Essex England) Distance 10K Size: Not sure, but probably around 1000 (there were about 950 finishers last year) … * I knew I’d run in hotter conditions. * I took my water this time. * Mentally, I know I’d be alright.

Rob, Congratulations on a great race! Sounds like you had fun and were at least mentally prepared. Dot

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Phil Feeding stations at a 10k race, unusual??

It was my first 10K so I wouldn’t know. By feeding stations it was just water in plastic cups, nothing else. I’m doing an evening 5 miler in a couple of weeks and they plan to have drinks on that one as well. Thanks for the comment on the splits. I was pretty pleased as well. If my first KM had been on target then I’d have been within 1 second of my overall goal, and I’m sure in the last few metres I could have taken care of that Rob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nice race and report Rob! Feeding stations at a 10k race, unusual?? Nice splits near the end there. Well done, Phil Location: Hatfield Broad Oak (A village in Essex England) Distance 10K Size: Not sure, but probably around 1000 (there were about 950 finishers last year) This race was recommended to me (by a non-runner) as being a pleasant day out (i.e. My wife and child wouldn’t feel too cheated) and it more than lived up to it’s recommendation. Hatfield Broad Oak is a very pretty village, and the event coincided with the Jubilee double-bank holiday and the flower fair. There were loads of stalls selling bits and bobs, a bouncy castle, refreshments, plants and craftwork for sale. The village is very pretty, and the whole event had a village fete feel to it. Once again my race prep was less than perfect. I’d had a bad knee, then 2 weeks holiday, so I’d only run 3 times in about 3 1/2 weeks. I ran on holiday in order to try to acclimatise myself to the heat, (as this had killed me in my last race) and I believe that this helped, not because I didn’t feel it (I was VERY hot) but because: * I knew I’d run in hotter conditions. * I took my water this time. * Mentally, I know I’d be alright. The race started at 11, and they could use a bigger gun. The only clue I got that it started (apart from the time being right) was that the people infront started running. The pre-race "coral" if that’s the right word was graded by expected start time, and was not too bad. However, there were clearly a few faster runners that were late, and some slower ones that had no idea how fast they’d be. However, on the whole it was a pretty hassle-free get away (though it took about 30 seconds to cross the line) The first Km was slow due to the number of runners, but after that it thinned out and from that point onwards I don’t think there was any crowding, and I probably run in the thickest part of the pack (No comments please) I’d hoped to run 50 minutes and in the end wasn’t too unhappy with my time. I got a slow first KM and slowed a bit at KM’s 6 and 7 after that I knew I’d got plenty in reserve and upped the pace towards the end (inevitably raising the question of whether I’d pushed enough) There were 2 feeding stations (which I ignored) at about KM 3 and 6. The course was a fairly flat figure-8 and so ideal for both runners and spectators. At the finish we got water and a t-shirt. The organisation and marshalling seemed to me to be excellent, and I’d recommend this race to anyone in the Herts/Essex/Cambs area of the UK. OK now for the boring stuff: KM Split Total 1  05:30  05:30 2  05:01  10:31 3  05:02  15:33 4  04:55  20:28 5  04:56  25:24 6  05:14  30:38 7  05:26  36:04 8  05:10  41:14 9  04:41  45:55 10  04:36  50:31 I think my time by the big clock was about 51:02 Cheers and thanks for reading this far. Rob

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Layne Was there a problem with faster/slower runners at the start/midpoint/finish line?

On the whole, no. The start WAS crowded, but then how _do_ you get 1000 eager people away with no problems. The first KM was 30 seconds slower than I’d have liked, but none of it really matters. There were a few people who didn’t look like regular runners and had clearly started rather optimistically near the front, but I guess that always happens. If you’ve never run 10K before how do you know how long it will take? At the mid-point it wasn’t a problem. There was a long section where we ran inward-bound and outward bound on opposite sides of the road but other than being rubbing salt in the wound (on my way in the outward runners were sh*t-hot and on my way out the in-bound tail enders looked wasted) The finish was fine. No bunching and I guess at 50-ish minutes I’m in the modal-point (if sadly not the median) of the pack, so if it was going to be bad I’d have expected to be in the thick of it. I’m still a rookie to this (it was only my 2nd ever race) but it’s definitely one I’d do again. Cheers Rob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Rob, Location: Hatfield Broad Oak (A village in Essex England) Distance 10K Size: Not sure, but probably around 1000 (there were about 950 finishers last year) [report snipped but appreciated] Now *that* sounds like a fun run. Congratulations! You really did a good job particularly not having run much recently (nice kick at the end). The course layout sounds interesting and very good for the spectators. Was there a problem with faster/slower runners at the start/midpoint/finish line? Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at

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Well we did buy a few things, mainly some books for Alex. Unfortunately as we arrived we managed to shut his fingers in the car door (he’s only 2) and as you can imagine there were quite a few tears. (And several people who came up to offer sweets and silly tricks and distractions – it was a really friendly atmosphere)

Ouch! Poor fellow, hope his finger is OK today! complain that my slow time at half way meant that they missed the winners at the finish (as you might imagine I was less than impressed by this comment)

Yes indeed. But you know they were there for you, not the winners! I’m sure they were only teasing. I don’t know how hot it is here, probably 23/24 C. I spent the last 2 weeks in the South of France (where the daily temperature was between 27 and about 30C. I’ve just looked up 30 and it’s 86F, the temperature yesterday in New Orleans) and ran a few times, but if I wasn’t on the road by 7:30 then it was too hot, and so as you might imagine, with a plentiful supply of wine and excellent food this was rather difficult (and I was on my holidays) so whilst my knees are now fine, I probably overdid the taper. Rob

Well, I can’t blame you for overdoing a taper in the south of France! SOunds, well, very delicious! Teresa in AZ

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Nice race and report Rob! Feeding stations at a 10k race, unusual?? Nice splits near the end there. Well done, Phil

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Location: Hatfield Broad Oak (A village in Essex England) Distance 10K Size: Not sure, but probably around 1000 (there were about 950 finishers last year) This race was recommended to me (by a non-runner) as being a pleasant day out (i.e. My wife and child wouldn’t feel too cheated) and it more than lived up to it’s recommendation. Hatfield Broad Oak is a very pretty village, and the event coincided with the Jubilee double-bank holiday and the flower fair. There were loads of stalls selling bits and bobs, a bouncy castle, refreshments, plants and craftwork for sale. The village is very pretty, and the whole event had a village fete feel to it. Once again my race prep was less than perfect. I’d had a bad knee, then 2 weeks holiday, so I’d only run 3 times in about 3 1/2 weeks. I ran on holiday in order to try to acclimatise myself to the heat, (as this had killed me in my last race) and I believe that this helped, not because I didn’t feel it (I was VERY hot) but because: * I knew I’d run in hotter conditions. * I took my water this time. * Mentally, I know I’d be alright. The race started at 11, and they could use a bigger gun. The only clue I got that it started (apart from the time being right) was that the people infront started running. The pre-race "coral" if that’s the right word was graded by expected start time, and was not too bad. However, there were clearly a few faster runners that were late, and some slower ones that had no idea how fast they’d be. However, on the whole it was a pretty hassle-free get away (though it took about 30 seconds to cross the line) The first Km was slow due to the number of runners, but after that it thinned out and from that point onwards I don’t think there was any crowding, and I probably run in the thickest part of the pack (No comments please) I’d hoped to run 50 minutes and in the end wasn’t too unhappy with my time. I got a slow first KM and slowed a bit at KM’s 6 and 7 after that I knew I’d got plenty in reserve and upped the pace towards the end (inevitably raising the question of whether I’d pushed enough) There were 2 feeding stations (which I ignored) at about KM 3 and 6. The course was a fairly flat figure-8 and so ideal for both runners and spectators. At the finish we got water and a t-shirt. The organisation and marshalling seemed to me to be excellent, and I’d recommend this race to anyone in the Herts/Essex/Cambs area of the UK. OK now for the boring stuff: KM Split Total 1  05:30  05:30 2  05:01  10:31 3  05:02  15:33 4  04:55  20:28 5  04:56  25:24 6  05:14  30:38 7  05:26  36:04 8  05:10  41:14 9  04:41  45:55 10  04:36  50:31 I think my time by the big clock was about 51:02 Cheers and thanks for reading this far. Rob

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Teresa Well we did buy a few things, mainly some books for Alex. Unfortunately as we arrived we managed to shut his fingers in the car door (he’s only 2) and as you can imagine there were quite a few tears. (And several people who came up to offer sweets and silly tricks and distractions – it was a really friendly atmosphere) The figure-8 route meant that they saw me at the start, middle and end without needing to move more than a few hundred metres, though they did complain that my slow time at half way meant that they missed the winners at the finish (as you might imagine I was less than impressed by this comment) I don’t know how hot it is here, probably 23/24 C. I spent the last 2 weeks in the South of France (where the daily temperature was between 27 and about 30C. I’ve just looked up 30 and it’s 86F, the temperature yesterday in New Orleans) and ran a few times, but if I wasn’t on the road by 7:30 then it was too hot, and so as you might imagine, with a plentiful supply of wine and excellent food this was rather difficult (and I was on my holidays) so whilst my knees are now fine, I probably overdid the taper. Cheers Rob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Location: Hatfield Broad Oak (A village in Essex England) Distance 10K I think my time by the big clock was about 51:02 Rob Hi Rob, and congratulations! Glad to hear the knees etc didn’t give you too much trouble. I do hope your family was cheering you on rather than at the Faire? But sounds like a perfect venue for the whole family for a lovely weekend. (I start dreaming of cool, pleasant places like that after the first few 105F + days here…) Teresa in AZ

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Location: Hatfield Broad Oak (A village in Essex England) Distance 10K Size: Not sure, but probably around 1000 (there were about 950 finishers last year) This race was recommended to me (by a non-runner) as being a pleasant day out (i.e. My wife and child wouldn’t feel too cheated) and it more than lived up to it’s recommendation. Hatfield Broad Oak is a very pretty village, and the event coincided with the Jubilee double-bank holiday and the flower fair. There were loads of stalls selling bits and bobs, a bouncy castle, refreshments, plants and craftwork for sale. The village is very pretty, and the whole event had a village fete feel to it. Once again my race prep was less than perfect. I’d had a bad knee, then 2 weeks holiday, so I’d only run 3 times in about 3 1/2 weeks. I ran on holiday in order to try to acclimatise myself to the heat, (as this had killed me in my last race) and I believe that this helped, not because I didn’t feel it (I was VERY hot) but because: * I knew I’d run in hotter conditions. * I took my water this time. * Mentally, I know I’d be alright. The race started at 11, and they could use a bigger gun. The only clue I got that it started (apart from the time being right) was that the people infront started running. The pre-race "coral" if that’s the right word was graded by expected start time, and was not too bad. However, there were clearly a few faster runners that were late, and some slower ones that had no idea how fast they’d be. However, on the whole it was a pretty hassle-free get away (though it took about 30 seconds to cross the line) The first Km was slow due to the number of runners, but after that it thinned out and from that point onwards I don’t think there was any crowding, and I probably run in the thickest part of the pack (No comments please) I’d hoped to run 50 minutes and in the end wasn’t too unhappy with my time. I got a slow first KM and slowed a bit at KM’s 6 and 7 after that I knew I’d got plenty in reserve and upped the pace towards the end (inevitably raising the question of whether I’d pushed enough) There were 2 feeding stations (which I ignored) at about KM 3 and 6. The course was a fairly flat figure-8 and so ideal for both runners and spectators. At the finish we got water and a t-shirt. The organisation and marshalling seemed to me to be excellent, and I’d recommend this race to anyone in the Herts/Essex/Cambs area of the UK. OK now for the boring stuff: KM Split Total 1  05:30  05:30 2  05:01  10:31 3  05:02  15:33 4  04:55  20:28 5  04:56  25:24 6  05:14  30:38 7  05:26  36:04 8  05:10  41:14 9  04:41  45:55 10  04:36  50:31 I think my time by the big clock was about 51:02 Cheers and thanks for reading this far. Rob

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Hi, Rob, Location: Hatfield Broad Oak (A village in Essex England) Distance 10K Size: Not sure, but probably around 1000 (there were about 950 finishers last year)

[report snipped but appreciated] Now *that* sounds like a fun run. Congratulations! You really did a good job particularly not having run much recently (nice kick at the end). The course layout sounds interesting and very good for the spectators. Was there a problem with faster/slower runners at the start/midpoint/finish line? Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Location: Hatfield Broad Oak (A village in Essex England) Distance 10K I think my time by the big clock was about 51:02 Rob

Hi Rob, and congratulations! Glad to hear the knees etc didn’t give you too much trouble. I do hope your family was cheering you on rather than at the Faire? But sounds like a perfect venue for the whole family for a lovely weekend. (I start dreaming of cool, pleasant places like that after the first few 105F + days here…) Teresa in AZ

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