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Is this race distance reasonable?

admin — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:00:00 +0000

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To get people out of the 5/10K rut our running club hosts a Grand Prix series of races that start at 1 mile, 4 mile 5 mile, 15k, 20k,10 miles and up to and including a 1/2 marathon. In order to score points and get the brass ring you need to do both sprints and endure. Obviously constructed to minimize any biasness. This forced sharing has opened a few eyes.

Our annual team comp includes 4 and 5 mile races, as well as some half marathons and the marathon. I wish they’d include the mile, but they don’t. We have more of a 4/5 mile rut here (though there are also several decent half marathons during the year too), because those are the distances that best suit the geography of central park. Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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To get people out of the 5/10K rut our running club hosts a Grand Prix

series of races that start at 1 mile, 4 mile 5 mile, 15k, 20k,10 miles and up to and including a 1/2 marathon. In order to score points and get the brass ring you need to do both sprints and endure. Obviously constructed to minimize any biasness. This forced sharing has opened a few eyes. << Running clubs tend to be a little different around here, too. Both the Cross Country Club of Dallas and the Ft. Worth Runners Club have monthly races that go through a variety of distances. Of course, they are targeted towards people who will identify themselves more as runners, as opposed to casual runners. But what I’m referring to is this: Oct 30 0800 RUN FOR THE HILLS 5K, Eagle Mountain Country Club, Fort Worth Oct 30 0900 TCOM DO DASH 5K / KIDS’ 1K, TCOM Campus, 3500 W. Camp Bowie at Montgomery, Fort Worth Oct 30 0900 FOUR SEASONS COOL 5K / 1 MILE, Four Seasons Resort & Club, 4150 N. MacArthur, Las Colinas, Irving Oct 30 0800 LIVIN’ IT LOUD 5K / 1 MILE, Shops At Legacy, Legacy & The Tollway, Plano Oct 30 0900 HUBBARD ROCK’N'RUN 5K / 1 MILE, Harry Myers Park, downtown Rockwall Oct 30 0800 PLANO PACERS 5K / JR .7 MILE SPRINT, Bob Woodruff Park, Plano Those are the DFW-area races for this Saturday. I’ll probably do one of them although right now I haven’t a clue as to which one. Of there were a four- or five-miler in the pack, though, chances are that my decision would be much easier. Last Saturday would be an even better example – there were nine races, all 5Ks. Mike

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We have more of a 4/5 mile rut here (though there are also several decent

half marathons during the year too), because those are the distances that best suit the geography of central park. << Coincidentally, I’ve run two races in Central Park and one was a four-mile, the other a five-mile. Also, I should have looked at the local calendar a little closer – there’s a four-mile in Ft. Worth on November 6. That’s the same weekend as the Dallas Half Marathon or CCCD The Half or whatever the hell its official name is. Mike

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It’s an interesting distance to race at. I bet the organizers wanted *something* to set it apart from the plethora of other runs in the area (last weekend, for instance, there were 10 5Ks on Saturday and a few other races on Sunday). << I don’t know why one of these races that are scheduled for the same day as a jillion other races doesn’t try altering the distance slightly – say a four-miler or a five-miler – to separate themselves from the crowd. Mike —

I think 8K, 5 milers and 10 milers are excellent distances as is the 15K (a person favorite of mine). << I like 10 milers and 15Ks, too, but I can understand why these are less common as they’re not going to appeal to the numbers that the shorter distances will. Four- and five-milers wouldn’t be as intimidating so the race will still attract some casual runners as well as race-addicted people who were tired of weekly 5Ks. Mike

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How would a "metric" half marathon be 8.1 miles when a marathon in metric terms is 21.1 km? That is 13.1 miles. I am confused. In cycling, a century is 100 miles and a metric century is 100 k. In running, they’re saying that a half-Marathon is 13.1 miles so a "metric" half marathon is 13.1 k. Get it? No, I do not get it. I think it is ridiculous. A metric century makes perfect sense as being 100km.

(Top-posting corrected) I’m not saying it makes a whole lot of sense. I’m just showing you where they got the idea: they changed "miles" to "km" and called it metric. Everyone was shouting about how they couldn’t see where they came up with the distance, and that’s how they did it. –Harold Buck "I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ." -Homer J. Simpson

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No, I do not get it. I think it is ridiculous. A metric century makes perfect sense as being 100km.

Sam, I think it’s the same concept as "lite" beer. LOL Mike Tennent "IronPenguin"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s an interesting term, a metric half marathon that is 8.1 miles. It’s 13.1K. I have the race flier in front of me. (Assuming it’s the same one, in Flower Mound, north of Fort Worth — I don’t know where nospam is, but I can’t imagine *two* of these oddball events in different cities on the same day.) << I ran it last year. I think they had to do some weird doubling back to get the proper distance. I would have been just as happy if they had made it a 12K or something. It’s an interesting distance to race at. I bet the organizers wanted *something* to set it apart from the plethora of other runs in the area (last weekend, for instance, there were 10 5Ks on Saturday and a few other races on Sunday). << I don’t know why one of these races that are scheduled for the same day as a jillion other races doesn’t try altering the distance slightly – say a four-miler or a five-miler – to separate themselves from the crowd. Mike —

I think 8K, 5 milers and 10 milers are excellent distances as is the 15K (a person favorite of mine).

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No, I do not get it. I think it is ridiculous. A metric century makes perfect sense as being 100km.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How would a "metric" half marathon be 8.1 miles when a marathon in metric terms is 21.1 km? That is 13.1 miles. I am confused. In cycling, a century is 100 miles and a metric century is 100 k. In running, they’re saying that a half-Marathon is 13.1 miles so a "metric" half marathon is 13.1 k. Get it? –Harold Buck "I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ." -Homer J. Simpson

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How would a "metric" half marathon be 8.1 miles when a marathon in metric terms is 21.1 km? That is 13.1 miles. I am confused.

In cycling, a century is 100 miles and a metric century is 100 k. In running, they’re saying that a half-Marathon is 13.1 miles so a "metric" half marathon is 13.1 k. Get it? –Harold Buck "I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ." -Homer J. Simpson

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That’s an interesting term, a metric half marathon that is 8.1 miles.

It’s 13.1K. I have the race flier in front of me. (Assuming it’s the same one, in Flower Mound, north of Fort Worth — I don’t know where nospam is, but I can’t imagine *two* of these oddball events in different cities on the same day.) << I ran it last year. I think they had to do some weird doubling back to get the proper distance. I would have been just as happy if they had made it a 12K or something. It’s an interesting distance to race at. I bet the organizers wanted

*something* to set it apart from the plethora of other runs in the area (last weekend, for instance, there were 10 5Ks on Saturday and a few other races on Sunday). << I don’t know why one of these races that are scheduled for the same day as a jillion other races doesn’t try altering the distance slightly – say a four-miler or a five-miler – to separate themselves from the crowd. Mike —

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Eventually it has to happen: I agree with Ig on this one.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << Yep, that’s it. Sorry, I didn’t know that a "Metric Half-Marathon" was not a common race. What is a "Metric Half-Marathon"? Thanks for explaining! Since a marathon is 26.2 miles, a half-marathon is 13.1 miles (obviously). Instead of saying miles, however, they substitute KM, but (conveniently for us newbies), don’t convert the distance. So, it becomes 13.1 KM, or, roughly, 8.1 miles. I’m sure there is an easier explanation, but that’s all I’ve got. This is not directed at you, but I cannot resist. I am a little bit irked by how some race officials use the term "metric" to perform shenanigans and promote innumeracy, and denigrate the metric system by association. A metric marathon is 42,195 meters. Same as 26.2 miles. A metric half marathon is 21,097 meters, same as 13.1 miles. 13,200 meters is not "metric half marathon". What you are describing sounds more properly as "1/3 marathon". — Running Log: http://igor.chudov.com/weightloss/exercise.txt

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Great, just what running needs is more confusing names for race distances.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s an interesting term, a metric half marathon that is 8.1 miles. It’s 13.1K. I have the race flier in front of me. (Assuming it’s the same one, in Flower Mound, north of Fort Worth — I don’t know where nospam is, but I can’t imagine *two* of these oddball events in different cities on the same day.) It’s an interesting distance to race at. I bet the organizers wanted *something* to set it apart from the plethora of other runs in the area (last weekend, for instance, there were 10 5Ks on Saturday and a few other races on Sunday). — Brian P. Baresch Fort Worth, Texas, USA Professional editing and proofreading If you’re going through hell, keep going. –Winston Churchill

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Leafing through rec.running, I read Ignoramus6961’s message of 25 Oct 2004: 8.1 miles is not a very long distance…

It depends on how you cover it. At an easy pace, it’s not very long. However, covering it as fast as you can will make it seem painfully long. Ever run a mile as fast as you can? This is extreme toruture. Phil M. — "What counts in battle is what you do once the pain sets in." -John Short, South African coach.

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I have been running consistently for about 2 months and did a six mile run this morning with no problems (though my shins are a bit sore right now). During the week I try to run 2-3 times, usually a 2-3 miler each time. In about 4 weeks (Nov. 20) there is a metric half-marathon in my town that I would like to run, which equates to about 8.1 miles. Is this a reasonable to goal if I increase my distance by a half-mile or so for each run runing the week up to the week of the race?

Sure. I started running in late June or early July and did a half-marathon in early October. I completed the half-marathon in just under 2 hours, and managed without any walking. It actually felt pretty easy. My longest run before the half-marathon was 14K, i.e. two-thirds of the distance, which I did about 1.5 weeks before race day. It was mainly for psychological reasons, since I figured if I could do two-thirds of the distance, I’d manage with the remaning third one way or another on race day. Apart from the 14K run the week before, I did 4 or 5 10K runs in the preceding weeks, otherwise only shorter distances of 3-7 K, about 3-4 times per week. Since you’ve just done a 6 mile run without problems, I reckon you are pretty much prepared for the 8.1 miles already, so I’m not sure you relly need to increase your training dose. Just keeping your current level up for the next 3-4 weeks should be sufficient (if all you want to do is to complete the race). Bjorn

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How would a "metric" half marathon be 8.1 miles when a marathon in metric terms is 21.1 km? That is 13.1 miles. I am confused. If the race is 8 miles, I see now reason you could not finish it as long as you take it easy.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have been running consistently for about 2 months and did a six mile run this morning with no problems (though my shins are a bit sore right now). During the week I try to run 2-3 times, usually a 2-3 miler each time. In about 4 weeks (Nov. 20) there is a metric half-marathon in my town that I would like to run, which equates to about 8.1 miles. Is this a reasonable to goal if I increase my distance by a half-mile or so for each run runing the week up to the week of the race? Thanks.

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That’s an interesting term, a metric half marathon that is 8.1 miles.

It’s 13.1K. I have the race flier in front of me. (Assuming it’s the same one, in Flower Mound, north of Fort Worth — I don’t know where nospam is, but I can’t imagine *two* of these oddball events in different cities on the same day.) It’s an interesting distance to race at. I bet the organizers wanted *something* to set it apart from the plethora of other runs in the area (last weekend, for instance, there were 10 5Ks on Saturday and a few other races on Sunday). — Brian P. Baresch Fort Worth, Texas, USA Professional editing and proofreading If you’re going through hell, keep going. –Winston Churchill

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Yep, that’s it. Sorry, I didn’t know that a "Metric Half-Marathon" was not a common race. Thanks for all of the advice. Given my slow pace, trying to win didn’t even enter my mind. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -That’s an interesting term, a metric half marathon that is 8.1 miles. It’s 13.1K. I have the race flier in front of me. (Assuming it’s the same one, in Flower Mound, north of Fort Worth — I don’t know where nospam is, but I can’t imagine *two* of these oddball events in different cities on the same day.) It’s an interesting distance to race at. I bet the organizers wanted *something* to set it apart from the plethora of other runs in the area (last weekend, for instance, there were 10 5Ks on Saturday and a few other races on Sunday).

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<< Yep, that’s it. Sorry, I didn’t know that a "Metric Half-Marathon" was not a common race. What is a "Metric Half-Marathon"? Thanks for explaining! [By the way, it's not raining, this moment ~ Later, yes, forecasted showers, Stormy weather, all laced With a bunch of heather ~ Oops, forgot my sweater!] _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please ping me!

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Sure, I’d do it. Sounds like a bold plan for a complete beginner and I would be careful; having a plan of simply finishing on my feet without injury and being happy for the experience. Don’t change your running plan much now. At your level, simply getting out there on a regular basis is making you improve at a relatively fast pace. Your half-mile increase plan sounds okay. The shin pain is common among new runners – avoid hills and rub them with a rolling pin at night. Let us know how it went! I love reading about first races. Don’t get caught up in the excitement and go out at too fast a pace. Pretend it’s one of your training runs for the first half, pick it up a tiny bit at halfway if you feel good, and finish smiling! cheers, — David (in Hamilton ON) www.absolutelyaccurate.com www.allfalldown.org

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<< fast a pace. Pretend it’s one of your training runs for the first half, pick it up a tiny bit at halfway if you feel good, and finish smiling! cheers, — David (in Hamilton ON) Great Counsel! Wise advice ~ An ounce of prevention, Just a once upon A time Tale… _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please ping me!

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<< Great Counsel! Wise advice ~ An ounce of prevention, Just a once upon A time Tale… Told twice. _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please ping me!

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<< Yep, that’s it. Sorry, I didn’t know that a "Metric Half-Marathon" was not a common race. What is a "Metric Half-Marathon"? Thanks for explaining!

Since a marathon is 26.2 miles, a half-marathon is 13.1 miles (obviously). Instead of saying miles, however, they substitute KM, but (conveniently for us newbies), don’t convert the distance. So, it becomes 13.1 KM, or, roughly, 8.1 miles. I’m sure there is an easier explanation, but that’s all I’ve got.

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I run about 6 miles a day for 6 days a week and sometime 3 miles on my "bad" days. I’m running a half-marathon this coming saturday. I think it’s about knowing what you "can" do. If you feel your ready, then yea. No magical equations here. But don’t hurt yourself by trying to set a PR or go at it the wrong way. Just relaz and have a good time.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been running consistently for about 2 months and did a six mile run this morning with no problems (though my shins are a bit sore right now). During the week I try to run 2-3 times, usually a 2-3 miler each time. In about 4 weeks (Nov. 20) there is a metric half-marathon in my town that I would like to run, which equates to about 8.1 miles. Is this a reasonable to goal if I increase my distance by a half-mile or so for each run runing the week up to the week of the race? Thanks.

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admin — Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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I’m very tired. I’ve rambled on some below. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -stry…@hotmail.com wrote: > Michaela wrote: >> Don wrote: >>> I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife >>> does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made >>> comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on >>> the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for >>> health reasons and my appearance. >>> Am I going overboard? >> I never know if you’re for real or not, but if I take you at >> face value then I say enjoy your exercising. Don’t make >> her problem yours. >> What is it with her telling you you are slow anyway? >> What’s her rush? >> – Michaela > Why do you think I am not real?

Because you don’t seem to listen to what people are telling you? Perhaps you are just messing with us? > She wants alot of thing doen around the house and when I do something > I am slow. She does not always tell me but I can sense it.

Stop worrying about what she thinks so much! "I will not define myself in terms of you" – Bernd You are creating your own misery. Do you enjoy doing these jobs or not? I think you do and you feel proud (note to self) of what you’ve done. Here’s my wild guesses. They are not meant to offend. Because you are so thorough with the quality of your work, she can’t pick on you in that regard. But she has picked up on some insecurity of yours. It probably has something to do with being slow. And when she’s feeling irritable/needs a scapegoat she’ll [probably unconsciously] continually pick on that aspect of you until one day she’s [with your tacit permission of course] created such a huge rift in your "psyche" wrt how you see yourself in her eyes that she can’t stand to set eyes on you anymore. I’m surprised she hasn’t started in on your desire to save money. Perhaps she just hasn’t thought of it yet or she herself has a (note to self: rship with money) thing about money. > I guess part of the problem is I like to do everything myself and hate > to have "outside" people come in. Why spend good money when I am > capable. (Even if I am slow). My wife refused to let me paint the > living room kitchen because it is a large area and would have taken me > a long time. SO she called someone form the outside and it costs us > 339 bucks. I did paint the baby’s room though. As a matter of fact, it > looks better than the guy who painted the living room. That is part of > why I am slow.

You simply *have* to stop her in her tracks with a well-timed remark. Only you will know when that moment has come and what the right thing to say will be. You have to be truly ready for it when you do it. It’s one moment you can’t fake. Choose your moment and words carefully, time it perfectly. You will literally *feel* the shift between your wife and yourself. Even if it’s only because you believe it happened, you will still feel it. It’s in the belief itself that you change things. Some would call it manipulation, but I hold that almost nothing is wholly good or bad. There’s a right time for everything. And sometimes it’s a good thing to use a bit of "controlling" behaviour if you do it just to the extent that you restore the balance of power. If you are to buy into this, you have to realise that she probably doesn’t like the side of herself that is being exposed when she picks on you. Maybe she even blames you for "making" her pick on you. She has no excuse. She has the choice not to pick on you. So, isn’t that a good reason to take back your power? Do you want her to hate herself, but not know that she hates herself? Because that is possibly what is happening here. The more she picks on you the more she hates herself. To cope with this she needs to blame someone else and you are the logical one. Because you’ll take it. Repeat cycle. Also, what about the kids? Don’t they deserve parents who treat each other well? Standing up for yourself at the "right times" will go a long way towards helping your kids to see its value. If you want her to hate herself, does that make you any better a person than she is? It doesn’t make any difference how you do it, (let’s be reasonable here), if you put a stop to her picking on you, only take back as much power from her that is needed to restore the balance of your relationship. Don’t let the dizzy feelings of power turn you into that which you are here grumbling about. Instead of just throwing paint on top of the old paint > I sanded the walls, spackled the nail "pops" that have come through > from the house settleing. I then washed the walls by hand before > putting on two coats of paint. In the closet instead of painting > "around" the racks I took the racks completely out, then painted the > closet.

My sitting room needs a lick of paint. Please visit and stay as long as you like. Pumpkin/butternut is tired after five or six years… ********* Summat else. Isn’t she being a little selfish detracting from the value of something that gives you such pleasure/a sense of fulfilment? This is perhaps where you have to be a little selfish (a little selfishness is good) and consider your own needs! Alternative suggestions: Make jokes about the cobwebs you see being spun as you fix things. Or how you should’ve gone to the beach instead of painting the walls. Say things like, did you see the Robertsons down the road built their house in less time than it took me to screw this light bulb in? Ok. These aren’t good examples, but I don’t know you, so you’ll have to think of your own. Say things that give the impression that you aren’t fazed at being a slowcoach. Care should be taken to avoid feeling "less than" when saying the things though, cos she will sense that. :: Comments like the above also serve as affirmations :: – Michaela

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Michaela" wrote in message … > I’m very tired. I’ve rambled on some below. > stry…@hotmail.com wrote: > > Michaela wrote: > >> Don wrote: > >>> I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife > >>> does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made > >>> comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on > >>> the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for > >>> health reasons and my appearance. > >>> Am I going overboard? > >> I never know if you’re for real or not, but if I take you at > >> face value then I say enjoy your exercising. Don’t make > >> her problem yours. > >> What is it with her telling you you are slow anyway? > >> What’s her rush? > >> – Michaela > > Why do you think I am not real? > Because you don’t seem to listen to what people are telling > you? Perhaps you are just messing with us?

I do listen to everything everyone says. I do value everyone’s advice here. I have used some of the advice I have received here. > > She wants alot of thing doen around the house and when I do something > > I am slow. She does not always tell me but I can sense it. > Stop worrying about what she thinks so much! > "I will not define myself in terms of you" – Bernd > You are creating your own misery. Do you enjoy > doing these jobs or not? I think you do and you > feel proud (note to self) of what you’ve done.

Alot of times that is true. I like doing things myself. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here’s my wild guesses. They are not meant to offend. > Because you are so thorough with the quality of your work, > she can’t pick on you in that regard. > But she has picked up on some insecurity of yours. It probably > has something to do with being slow. And when she’s > feeling irritable/needs a scapegoat she’ll [probably > unconsciously] continually pick on that aspect of you until > one day she’s [with your tacit permission of course] created > such a huge rift in your "psyche" wrt how you see yourself > in her eyes that she can’t stand to set eyes on you anymore. > I’m surprised she hasn’t started in on your desire to save > money. Perhaps she just hasn’t thought of it yet or she > herself has a (note to self: rship with money) thing about > money.

She has made comments about me being "tight". > > I guess part of the problem is I like to do everything myself and hate > > to have "outside" people come in. Why spend good money when I am > > capable. (Even if I am slow). My wife refused to let me paint the > > living room kitchen because it is a large area and would have taken me > > a long time. SO she called someone form the outside and it costs us > > 339 bucks. I did paint the baby’s room though. As a matter of fact, it > > looks better than the guy who painted the living room. That is part of > > why I am slow. > You simply *have* to stop her in her tracks with a well-timed > remark. Only you will know when that moment has come and > what the right thing to say will be. You have to be truly ready > for it when you do it. It’s one moment you can’t fake.

The thing is alot of times she does not say anything. I am constantly asking her what is wrong. And I prod her until she says somehting. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Choose your moment and words carefully, time it perfectly. > You will literally *feel* the shift between your wife and > yourself. Even if it’s only because you believe it happened, > you will still feel it. It’s in the belief itself that you change > things. > Some would call it manipulation, but I hold that almost > nothing is wholly good or bad. There’s a right time for > everything. And sometimes it’s a good thing to use a bit > of "controlling" behaviour if you do it just to the extent > that you restore the balance of power. > If you are to buy into this, you have to realise that she > probably doesn’t like the side of herself that is being > exposed when she picks on you. Maybe she even blames > you for "making" her pick on you. She has no excuse. > She has the choice not to pick on you. > So, isn’t that a good reason to take back your power? Do > you want her to hate herself, but not know that she hates > herself? Because that is possibly what is happening > here. The more she picks on you the more she hates > herself. To cope with this she needs to blame someone > else and you are the logical one. Because you’ll take it. > Repeat cycle.

That is a good way to think of it. But I have made comments before. I have aked her sometimes "why are you acting mad at me" she just says "I am not mad" and continues to do whatever she was doing. If I tell her her mother comes over too much she just does not say anything back and continues the behaviour. Granted, we dont go back and forth on this all the time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Also, what about the kids? Don’t they deserve parents > who treat each other well? Standing up for yourself at > the "right times" will go a long way towards helping > your kids to see its value. > If you want her to hate herself, does that make you any > better a person than she is? > It doesn’t make any difference how you do it, (let’s be > reasonable here), if you put a stop to her picking on > you, only take back as much power from her that is > needed to restore the balance of your relationship. > Don’t let the dizzy feelings of power turn you into > that which you are here grumbling about. > Instead of just throwing paint on top of the old paint > > I sanded the walls, spackled the nail "pops" that have come through > > from the house settleing. I then washed the walls by hand before > > putting on two coats of paint. In the closet instead of painting > > "around" the racks I took the racks completely out, then painted the > > closet. > My sitting room needs a lick of paint. Please visit and stay as > long as you like. Pumpkin/butternut is tired after five or > six years… > ********* > Summat else. Isn’t she being a little selfish detracting from > the value of something that gives you such pleasure/a sense > of fulfilment? This is perhaps where you have to be a little > selfish (a little selfishness is good) and consider your own > needs! > Alternative suggestions: > Make jokes about the cobwebs you see being spun as you > fix things. Or how you should’ve gone to the beach instead > of painting the walls. > Say things like, did you see the Robertsons down the road > built their house in less time than it took me to screw this > light bulb in? > Ok. These aren’t good examples, but I don’t know you, so > you’ll have to think of your own. > Say things that give the impression that you aren’t fazed at > being a slowcoach. Care should be taken to avoid feeling > "less than" when saying the things though, cos she will sense > that. > :: Comments like the above also serve as affirmations :: > – Michaela

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in message … > I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife > does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made > comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on > the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for > health reasons and my appearance. > Am I going overboard?

5 hours per week is not at all too much to exercise (unless you have some medical issue). If you have an understanding that you’re going to do house projects as well, you just have to balance that in in a way that both of you can accept. If you only have 10 hours of spare time per week, and after including stretching and showering that leaves only two hours for house work, I can see how that could be a problem. But most people have more time than that in a week.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lash Rambo wrote: > stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in > news:1a66b8fe.0411100550.59b338c@posting.google.com: > > I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife > > does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made > > comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on > > the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for > > health reasons and my appearance. > > Am I going overboard? > What does your wife do around the house? She seems to complain excessively > about your doing nothing, so naturally, she’s busting ass on chores every > day, right? RIGHT?

She does alot of housework but not every day. Alot of days she is reading a book in the lazy boy. (She is addicted to reading novels). Just her acting like she does not like it makes me feel guilty. I plan on doing some house work tonight while she is at a birthday party for her neice.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Dolores wrote in message >… >> An hour a day five days a week isn’t that much. I suspect that the real >> problem she has is that she wants to spend more time with you, but in >> typical american-style is afraid to just say so because then you might >> say no and she’ll feel unwanted. Maybe you could find a form of >> excercise that you can do together? Hiking, walking, running, bicycling, >> sex? >She never tells me that. I am always suggesting we do stuff togther. I >even took her shopping all day last Saturday. When we are toghter >during the weeknight she is doing some house work or more times than >not reading a book. >I have told her before I would like to go hiking but she is not an >"outdoors" person. >I have never once in my life turned down sex! (Although unfortunately >she has, a lot!) >> -=Lola >> Don wrote: >> > I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife >> > does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made >> > comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on >> > the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for >> > health reasons and my appearance. >> > Am I going overboard?

I read somewhere about marriage tips. If your partner is suggesting that they might leave you, tell them, "do let me know when, I’ll help ya pack your bags". Then they wont threaten you about leaving.

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Oh well… I guess I was being optimistic. I’m sorry. I don’t really have any other ideas on what her problem might be. I don’t think you’re doing anything wrong based on what you’ve said, and I think that unless you’re approaching her more than once a day, it reflects poorly on her that she’s turning down sex. Married people should really make it a general rule to say yes to their spouse, unless there’s a really valid reason to say no (like they have the flu, a painful yeast infection, etc.). -=Lola – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Don wrote: > Dolores wrote in message … >>An hour a day five days a week isn’t that much. I suspect that the real >>problem she has is that she wants to spend more time with you, but in >>typical american-style is afraid to just say so because then you might >>say no and she’ll feel unwanted. Maybe you could find a form of >>excercise that you can do together? Hiking, walking, running, bicycling, >>sex? > She never tells me that. I am always suggesting we do stuff togther. I > even took her shopping all day last Saturday. When we are toghter > during the weeknight she is doing some house work or more times than > not reading a book. > I have told her before I would like to go hiking but she is not an > "outdoors" person. > I have never once in my life turned down sex! (Although unfortunately > she has, a lot!)

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Kalidor wrote: > On 11 Nov 2004 05:42:38 -0800 > stry…@hotmail.com wrote: > > I am trying to build a little muscle and get a little leaner. > Hmm. What kind of bodytype do you have? Ekto-, meso- or endomorph?

Not sure. I used to know the difference between the types but if it helps I weigh about 180 and 6 feet tall. I have always looked slender even though I am not. > > Sun-Thur I use a barbell and do 3 sets of overhead presses. Then 3 sets > > of shoulder shrugs, then 3 sets with lighter weight of overhead presses > > where you go behind the back and in front. > > Then I do 3 sets of tricep extensions with a dumbell. Then 3 sets of > > curls with a barbell finishing up with three sets of dumbell curls. > So you train shoulders, trapezius, triceps and biceps. What about

your pectoralis and latissimus? What about your legs? If you really want to build muscle you should concentrate on exercises that involve many muscle groups at once, e.g. Squats, Dead Lifts, Bench Presses, Dips, Bent-Over Rows. Overhead Presses are ok but you’re probably wasting your time with those triceps extensions and biceps curls. I know, I have done the cardinal sin of ignoring legs but there is a reason. I dont have a rack or anything really for legs at home. Also, my legs look ok, it is my upper body I would like to improve at least right now. > > I am wondering about this routine as I dont even get sore anymore and I > > cant visably see any more gaines. (Maybe a little) Maybe it is time to > > change my routine. I will admitt I am probably not as agressive as I > > should be and one day I may do 8 reps of one exercise and another I can > > only do 4. I try to increase the weight every two weeks. > Progressiveness is much more important than aggressiveness. As long

as you can increase the weight while maintaining good exercise form everything’s fine. Also keep in mind that nutrition is a very important factor. You must not expect significant gains without a hypercaloric diet (which, of course, opposes your desire for getting leaner — this is the hard part about natural bodybuilding). Yea, I know. I eat light for breakfast and lunch and eat what I want at dinner. (Within reason). I try to eat low carb, high protein. I am not wanting to look like the incredible hulk but would like to gain some in my upper body and lose bodyfat around my stomach. There is not alot there but would like to get down to 10 or 15 % bodyfat. I have not checked in over a year so I might be there now and not know it. Been thinking about getting one of those scales that reads bodyfat.

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Don (stry…@hotmail.com) wrote >I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife >does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made >comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on >the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for >health reasons and my appearance. >Am I going overboard?

No, I don’t think you’re doing too much exercise. Try to get the wife to do exercise too.

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On 10 Nov 2004 05:50:58 -0800 stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: > I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife > does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made > comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on > the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for > health reasons and my appearance. > Am I going overboard?

This depends largely on what your goals are. Are you speaking of bodybuilding training? Do you want to get more mass? Then 5 days / week might be too much for you to recuperate adequately. Read about HIT training (or Heavy Duty as Mike Mentzer called it). I’m not a die-hard HIT advocate but I think there is much truth to it. The more intensive your training is, the less frequent you should train!

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stry…@hotmail.com wrote in news:1100117460.568528.301210 @c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lash Rambo wrote: >> stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in >> news:1a66b8fe.0411100550.59b338c@posting.google.com: >> > I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my > wife >> > does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made >> > comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects > on >> > the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for >> > health reasons and my appearance. >> > Am I going overboard? >> What does your wife do around the house? She seems to complain > excessively >> about your doing nothing, so naturally, she’s busting ass on chores > every >> day, right? RIGHT? > She does alot of housework but not every day. Alot of days she is > reading a book in the lazy boy. (She is addicted to reading novels). > Just her acting like she does not like it makes me feel guilty. I plan > on doing some house work tonight while she is at a birthday party for > her neice.

Do you feel that the household chores are divided appropriately between you and your wife?

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Don wrote: > I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife > does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made > comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on > the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for > health reasons and my appearance. > Am I going overboard?

I never know if you’re for real or not, but if I take you at face value then I say enjoy your exercising. Don’t make her problem yours. What is it with her telling you you are slow anyway? What’s her rush? – Michaela

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>I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife >does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made >comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on >the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for >health reasons and my appearance. >Am I going overboard?

An hour exercise every day is good. Looks like wifey is bit pushing you a lot about work. Tell her, she can read the damn novel when she is retired, ask her to give a hand with your work. She must be 9 months pregnant now, dont ask her now.

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an hour of exercise is most certainly NOT too much. she’s just being a pain in the ass. – k i t z – "you forgot poland." – bush, being his usual idiot self.

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On 11 Nov 2004 05:42:38 -0800 stry…@hotmail.com wrote: > I am trying to build a little muscle and get a little leaner.

Hmm. What kind of bodytype do you have? Ekto-, meso- or endomorph? > Sun-Thur I use a barbell and do 3 sets of overhead presses. Then 3 sets > of shoulder shrugs, then 3 sets with lighter weight of overhead presses > where you go behind the back and in front. > Then I do 3 sets of tricep extensions with a dumbell. Then 3 sets of > curls with a barbell finishing up with three sets of dumbell curls.

So you train shoulders, trapezius, triceps and biceps. What about your pectoralis and latissimus? What about your legs? If you really want to build muscle you should concentrate on exercises that involve many muscle groups at once, e.g. Squats, Dead Lifts, Bench Presses, Dips, Bent-Over Rows. Overhead Presses are ok but you’re probably wasting your time with those triceps extensions and biceps curls. > I am wondering about this routine as I dont even get sore anymore and I > cant visably see any more gaines. (Maybe a little) Maybe it is time to > change my routine. I will admitt I am probably not as agressive as I > should be and one day I may do 8 reps of one exercise and another I can > only do 4. I try to increase the weight every two weeks.

Progressiveness is much more important than aggressiveness. As long as you can increase the weight while maintaining good exercise form everything’s fine. Also keep in mind that nutrition is a very important factor. You must not expect significant gains without a hypercaloric diet (which, of course, opposes your desire for getting leaner — this is the hard part about natural bodybuilding).

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An hour a day five days a week isn’t that much. I suspect that the real problem she has is that she wants to spend more time with you, but in typical american-style is afraid to just say so because then you might say no and she’ll feel unwanted. Maybe you could find a form of excercise that you can do together? Hiking, walking, running, bicycling, sex? -=Lola – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Don wrote: > I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife > does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made > comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on > the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for > health reasons and my appearance. > Am I going overboard?

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Ravenwolf wrote in news:Xns959D644F0EA4Aravenwolf469earthlin@216.196.97.130: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in > news:1a66b8fe.0411100550.59b338c@posting.google.com: >> I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife >> does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made >> comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on >> the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for >> health reasons and my appearance. >> Am I going overboard? > On the weekends, I exercise in the morning. During the week, I will > exercise during my lunch break. > One time on a Saturday morning I got up and ran a 13 miles race. > After the race I went to breakfast with some friends in the running > club. I got home about 11:30. My girlfriend had just got up about > the time I arrived. That was funny.

I would like to add: http://exercise.about.com/od/fittinginexercise/a/busy_exercise.htm

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in news:1a66b8fe.0411100550.59b338c@posting.google.com: > I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife > does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made > comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on > the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for > health reasons and my appearance. > Am I going overboard?

What does your wife do around the house? She seems to complain excessively about your doing nothing, so naturally, she’s busting ass on chores every day, right? RIGHT?

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On the weekends, I exercise in the morning. During the week, I will exercise during my lunch break. One time on a Saturday morning I got up and ran a 13 miles race. After the race I went to breakfast with some friends in the running club. I got home about 11:30. My girlfriend had just got up about the time I arrived. That was funny.

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I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for health reasons and my appearance. Am I going overboard?

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news:1a66b8fe.0411100550.59b338c@posting.google.com… >I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife > does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made > comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on > the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for > health reasons and my appearance. > Am I going overboard?

Absolutely not. I think everyone such exercise for about an hour per day. It doesn’t have to be lifting weights or training tho. Digging the garden is just as good. If it makes you feel good, then keep it up! It’s only an hour a day, most of us sit in front of the TV for longer than that!

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Heartless Pig wrote in news:Xns959DA45BFE226er8o3@localhost: > stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in > news:1a66b8fe.0411100550.59b338c@posting.google.com: >> I exercise for about an hour a day 5 days a week. I can tell my wife >> does not like that I am upstairs exercising this long. She has made >> comments I dont get anything doen during the week. (Like projects on >> the house). I usually exercise Sunday -Thursday. I do it mainly for >> health reasons and my appearance. >> Am I going overboard? > Nope. If it makes you feel good, then you should do it. Does she > prefer a husband who is fat and slow?

Maybe she wants him to get fat and slow so he wont have any prospects better than her. Shit the bed, when did I get this bitter? Oh, come to think of it, I think I know. -phy

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running the mile in PE class

admin — Mon, 04 Oct 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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<< Then he writes:but eliminating it is wrong. Isn’t that self-cancelling?

Yes indeed. No need to read any further.

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<< Isn’t that self-cancelling? Yes indeed. No need to read any further. Hoot, moi?! H[owl]! I’m a reader, true. No stoppping me ~ _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please ping me!

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I’m a fifth grade teacher in a suburban elementary school. Our fourth and fifth graders work up to running the mile, and our PE teacher does use heart rate monitors with them. The teacher was able to get the monitors by writing an educational grant that covered the expense. My own children ran a mile every Friday throughout middle school in this same school district. Students could run or walk but most chose to run. Since they were doing it every week it became quite a competition. My son who is now an eighth grader reports his mile times to us every week. He is a soccer player, and Fridays are the only time that he runs simply for the sake of running. He likes it.

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I think what they should do instead of eliminating it, is to have the students wear heart-rate monitors and tell them they must be in their target heart rate zone for a set amount of time. Where would the schools get the money for HRMs? (There’s also the practical issue of the variability in MHR in the population.)

And they would have to be "cross-talk" free HRM as well. But why does exercise need to be this high-tech. Get moving in fun activities that improve strength, endurance, agility, and coordination. Perhaps knowing how the heart functions and how it responds to exercise is a useful life skill but it can be measured manually. And a lot of younger children could use the extra practice with arithmetic. How about we save taxpayer dollars?

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At my 9 year old’s Elementary School they have a running program where 3 days a week they run as many laps as they can. After they get 20 laps 5 miles they get a foot. Each child receive a prize at the end of the year and those with the highest miles receives a high mileage t-shirt. We have an organization here called the Rapides Junior Runners – 5 & under run 1/2 Mile, 6-10 run 1 mile, and 11 and over run 2 miles. Each child that crosses the finish line receives a medal and they award trophies to the top 3 in each age group and by male or female. Check out more by visiting www.getfitcenla.org

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I have seen that some schools are eliminating the mile run for students in PE class. I have always thought that it was a bad idea to grade students on how fast they can run the mile, but eliminating it is wrong. Are there any PE teachers that still have the mile run as part of the fitness testing?

Our PE teachers (middle school) bring the kids out to the track and have them do a mile – running or walking, students’ choice. Participation in the fitness test is optional and does include running. Jenn

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I think what they should do instead of eliminating it, is to have the students wear heart-rate monitors and tell them they must be in their target heart rate zone for a set amount of time.

Where would the schools get the money for HRMs? (There’s also the practical issue of the variability in MHR in the population.)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen that some schools are eliminating the mile run for students in PE class. I have always thought that it was a bad idea to grade students on how fast they can run the mile, but eliminating it is wrong. Are there any PE teachers that still have the mile run as part of the fitness testing? Dan, I am a PE major and agree with you that it is a bad idea to grade students on how fast they run the mile. In my high school they still had the mile run as part of the Presidential Fitness Tests. I think what they should do instead of eliminating it, is to have the students wear heart-rate monitors and tell them they must be in their target heart rate zone for a set amount of time. If they don’t, then they will not get the points for that activity or however they are evaluated for the day. Anyone else have any comments? -Heather

Screw the HR. For one thing that is an expense not many schools are going to take on. Just have them run for as long as they want and whatever pace they want just so they keep moving for 30 or 40 minutes. The less structure and the less it seems like punishment the better.

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Come to California. My oldest son ran the mile for time in PE starting in sixth grade. And seventh grade. This was not part of a presidential fitness test, and it was done several times (for time) during the school year. No thoughts of eliminating it. My youngest was able to run a mile (not timed or graded) in his school running club (no kidding, there is a running club for grades 2-5) in second grade. Maybe this is part of the reason that California athletes kick everybody else’s butt by the time they’re high school seniors (and the college recruiters coming to the California State Meet know it). Lyndon "Speed Kills…It kills those that don’t have it!" –US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

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Using a HRM to guage exercise activity (not necessarily limited to running) is part of the state curriculum guidelines for 7th grade PE in California. The idea is to teach a life skill; In high school cross country we do not use HRMs. BTW, we also have homework for PE in middle and high schools. This is a daily activity log to try to encourage kids to do at least 20 min/day of exercise activity outside of school to counteract the trend toward teenage obesity. Lyndon "Speed Kills…It kills those that don’t have it!" –US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

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First the psycho writes: I have always thought that it was a bad idea to grade students on how fast they can run the mile, Then he writes:but eliminating it is wrong.

P-S-Y-C-H-O

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<< Then he writes:but eliminating it is wrong.

Isn’t that self-cancelling? _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please ping me!

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Dan, I am a PE major and agree with you that it is a bad idea to grade students on how fast they run the mile. In my high school they still had the mile run as part of the Presidential Fitness Tests. I think what they should do instead of eliminating it, is to have the students wear heart-rate monitors and tell them they must be in their target heart rate zone for a set amount of time. If they don’t, then they will not get the points for that activity or however they are evaluated for the day. Anyone else have any comments? -Heather

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Websites for running events?

admin — Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Any specific recommendations for websites that list future (local) running events? (I live near Seattle.) I’m planning on running my first marathon next spring/early summer, and I want to find a good one to plan for. I also want to find some 5k/10k/Half-marathon and trail events to schedule in the meantime to incorporate into my training schedule. Regards, H.

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Any specific recommendations for websites that list future (local) running events? (I live near Seattle.)

Check www.active.com

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Also check any local running club sites. Ask local running shoe stores for clubs info., or look in the paper for activity lists — once you make one contact, others become easy to find. bj

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any specific recommendations for websites that list future (local) running events? (I live near Seattle.) Check www.active.com

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Check out the Vancouver (BC) International Marathon – May 1, 2005 – http://www.adidasvanmarathon.ca/hm/. It’s a scenic and flat course with lots of support along the way. Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any specific recommendations for websites that list future (local) running events? (I live near Seattle.) I’m planning on running my first marathon next spring/early summer, and I want to find a good one to plan for. I also want to find some 5k/10k/Half-marathon and trail events to schedule in the meantime to incorporate into my training schedule. Regards, H.

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For trails, http://www.trailrunner.com/ but this only has events that people send in to them (probably small percent of races that are out there). Local schedules are probably more complete or check at local running store. Dot — "So many people get stuck in the routine of life that their dreams waste away. This is about living the dream." – Cave Dog

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www.runnersworld.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any specific recommendations for websites that list future (local) running events? (I live near Seattle.) I’m planning on running my first marathon next spring/early summer, and I want to find a good one to plan for. I also want to find some 5k/10k/Half-marathon and trail events to schedule in the meantime to incorporate into my training schedule. Regards, H.

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Check out the Vancouver (BC) International Marathon – May 1, 2005 – http://www.adidasvanmarathon.ca/hm/. It’s a scenic and flat course with lots of support along the way. Susan

Thanks for the suggestion! I’ll look into it, since that’s an easy drive. Guess I better get a passport… Regards, H.

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Low carb and endurance running — results of my experiment

admin — Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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to compare. As for the muscle function, I do 50 pushups and 12 pullups per set every day (2 sets of pushups and 3 sets of pullups). If anything, pushups became a bit easier on LC.

Any you measure this how? I’d bet a bundle of money it’s because you are getting stronger simply from doing them and had nothing to do with LC. Said differently, prove it was LC? Bet you can’t! -DF

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Please, there is enough crap on the internet. If you don’t have a clue about something you are not helping by giving an answer, and most of us can tell you don’t have any accurate or personal information.

Then please enlighten us we are all open minded. -DF

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Also, if I wanted to again participate in a 5K race, i would definitely eat carbs prior. 5k is a very short run that is run at high intensity. I could never run much longer distances at high intensity, high or low carb.

I’m begining to think you are trolling!! -DF

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Well for whatever reason, none of the people in my running club are fat, and none of them need low carb diets to stay in shape. The fact that their running burns 3,000-10,000 calories a week might have *something* to do with it, what do you think ?

Donovan, this is cross posted to low carb folks. To agree with us is tantamount to their diet is crock of shit. Save you energy, the LC folks are like those still believing in the flat earth theory. -DF

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :: Runners do not generally have trouble eating at maintenance, even in :: the presence of carbs, because they burn more calories than the :: average couch potato. Runners don’t have problems eating at maintenance because they burn more calories than the average couch potato? PLEASE! Well for whatever reason, none of the people in my running club are fat, and none of them need low carb diets to stay in shape. The fact that their running burns 3,000-10,000 calories a week might have *something* to do with it, what do you think ? I highly doubt that fat people would want to belong to a running club…

So ? Do you think that the average runner needs a special diet, low carb or otherwise to avoid getting fat ? Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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So, I asked a question on alt.support.diet.low-carb and rec.running on whether running a *half marathon* on LC was possible.

Haven’t these sort of experiments already been done? Phil M. — "Learn from the mistakes of others. You can’t live long enough to make them all yourself."

Training Week Ending September 12, 2004

admin — Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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The 50k was a PR by 49 mins, as previously I only had a 50k split time from a 50 miler. Your comparing Apples and rocks. With trail races you can only compare a race to itself and even that assumes the race course does not change from year to year which is very unlikly.

That’s all I had to go on. And yes of course I agree every trail races is its own species. Still, comparing the courses at finger lakes 50s to the GroundHog 50k, I would say finger lakes is easier, especially because of the steepness of many of the hills at GroundHog. The winning race times for these 2 races are comparable, though slower at F.L. 50s this year and last year, but you have to remember F.L. 50s is run in July and is usually hot. – Tony

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The 50k was a PR by 49 mins, as previously I only had a 50k split time from a 50 miler.

Your comparing Apples and rocks. With trail races you can only compare a race to itself and even that assumes the race course does not change from year to year which is very unlikly. -Doug

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

mon: 1:05 biked, hr 134 tues: 0:40 treadmill easy wed: 0:50 treadmill with 20 mins running thur: off fri: off sat: 5:39, Groundhog Fall 50k trail race (separate report) sun: off Goals: rest up, then build for Hudson Highlander 26km orienteering race The 50k was a PR by 49 mins, as previously I only had a 50k split time from a 50 miler. – Tony

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

M – - T – - Very exhausting. Felt like giving up after about 1.5 mile. Entire body was hurting like hell. Must have something to do with the 30 hours without sleep a couple of days ago. F – - S – 5K race. Lake Arrowhead, CA. 22:12. 1st AG, 3rd overall. (Will try to write up a race report later.) Out (downhill) and back (uphill) race. Quads and calves really got hammered. S – - total: 10 miles. Goals: 5K in early November. This is a flat course. Aiming for sub-19:30 or so. jobs

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Mon. 09/06 3.5 miles slow – HOT! Wed. 09/08 2.1 miles slow – Even HOTTER! Sun. 09/12 5K race plus warmup/cooldown Total 10.7 mi… The hot weather and rotten air quality these last two weeks has interrupted my already slow progress. Goals: Local 5K with two sons and two brothers-in-law Oct. 2. Increase Time On Legs: This weeks mileage goal is 13-1/4 Work up to 20 miles per week by November, and try to maintain 15 to 20 per week through winter. — Daniel

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Goals: 1/2 marathon next w/e, full marathon late October Mon: 8 miles Tue: 8 miles incl. 6×1000m intervals Wed: 14 miles Thurs: 8 miles Fri: dnr Sat: dnr Sun: dnr Total: 38 miles — Colm

: Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training : week and goals.

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

<< Mon – DNR Tue – 3 miles, 25:05 Wed – 5 miles, 39:51 Thu – 3.5 miles, 27:33 Fri – DNR Sat – 3.2 miles, 27:54 Sun – 12.2 miles, 1:54:52 Total – 26.9 miles Mike

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

Goal: Stay injury free, work up to 15-20 mpw. with 3 mi of speed work This week I did not run…at all. Swamped from all sides. Sun: 5 K race – El Grito 5K – finished in 27:50. A little slower than anticipated, but a couple of factors likely contributed – lack of sleep, not training this last week, and high overall stress level. Plus…I took out the first mile way too fast. Amusingly, I tend to think of myself as a negative splitter. Not in this race… Having a time does help me sort of gauge training though. I’m going to try for more base building per the McMillan website for the next couple of weeks.

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still taking it easy, uncertain about my knee. have been doing some mostly easy bike riding and might keep that up for a few months. m dnr. t 3.8mi 32:19 in am. rode home from work, 30min. w dnr. r 4.6mi 41:40 in am. rode home from work, 30min. f dnr. s rode 1:30 in am. s dnr.

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Race photos (I don’t appear on any of them): http://www.ifkville.se/Hisingsrundan/Bilder04/thumbs.htm What’s with the crazy dancing in the beginning?

Some people seem to want to exhaust themselves any way they can just before a race. I’m as puzzled as you are. Bjorn

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Mon: 1 hour bike HR: avg 132 Tue: 20′ bike, 35′ run, 15′ bike Wed: A short story. As usual I rode my bike from home (about 4k) and left it locked up near my inter-city bus stop. Typically on the return home, I ride the bike to a local park, run for 35-55 mins, and then ride 15 mins home. On the way home, the bus came to a stop. Not a crawling slow traffic jam, but an absolute stop. Drivers got out of their cars to stretch, talk, smoke whatever. After staying put for about 20 mins, and finding out via cellphone that the road was blocked due to fires near the road, I decided to jump off the bus and run for a while… I guess I was about 20 kms from home – doable – although the entrance to Jerusalem involves a lot of climbing. I had my running clothes (and my bike helmet) in my rucksack, and discretely changed and was on my way. All was well while the traffic was stopped, but of course, after about 10 minutes the fires were controlled, and the traffic started moving. This section of the highway has a very narrow shoulder and almost no emergency lane, so, valuing my life more than a comfortable pace, I hopped over the barrier and starting "running" over rocks, trees, a dead dog (yuck), and dodging signposts. I also ran past the smouldering fires – lots of flashpoints in the valley below, so that when I met my wife some 50 minutes later about half-way home, I was black on one side. My wife dropped me at the bike and I rode home. Thu: off No running. Our running club had its annual general meeting. Guest of honour was Haile Satain, the Israel olympic marathoner who finished Atehns in 2:17 and 20th place at age 42. Great run. Fri: 35′ bike, 50′ run at track, 15′ bike Sat: 3.5k easy Sun: 20′ bike, 55′ run at park, 15′ bike Total: 36km (23 miles) + bike. Anthony. Jerusalem, Israel.

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. cheers,

Tu: 6k Th: 7.2k Sa: 8k (local "race", finished as #84 out of 119, at 39:13) Su: 2.2k Total: 23.4k Race photos (I don’t appear on any of them): http://www.ifkville.se/Hisingsrundan/Bilder04/thumbs.htm Upcoming races: 8k on 16th Oct 16.6k on 6th Nov Bjorn

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Race photos (I don’t appear on any of them): http://www.ifkville.se/Hisingsrundan/Bilder04/thumbs.htm

What’s with the crazy dancing in the beginning? Phil M. — "Learn from the mistakes of others. You can’t live long enough to make them all yourself."

Is this group really for running?

admin — Tue, 03 Aug 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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She’s a rover! No girl who calls herself a babe, is one. Don’t make me tell you years.

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X-No-Archive: yes

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check out coolrunning.com – there are more serious groups there I’ve found – sorry you are meeting such idiots here – I was hoping to find some serious people but that seems to be impossible. – Linda A number of us are serious about running. It depends on what you mean by serious. I think Linda and Pete just want serious answers to their serious questions, rather than having to wade through all the banter amongst the trollers. They may not qualify as serious runners from a speed/mpw/racing point of view. But anyone that wants to come here to learn and share needs to be given some respect as a serious runner. The best way to avoid the non-running BS is to create a kill file and plonk the worst trolls. I’ll give most new trolls a fair chance. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!! RAther funny coming from a troll. One whose 99% of contribution on this group can be classified into three categories: 1) Inane pro-right wing posts 2) Attacks on SwStudio 3) Meaningless OT replies to serious posts, intended solely to pick

fights And for that, I’m sorry. I thought I was doing better. No? tkb

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The best way to avoid the non-running BS is to create a kill file and plonk the worst trolls. I’ll give most new trolls a fair chance. Some of them are rather humorous, but after a while they all become boring. Especially if I come here to learn and share knowlege related to running. Granted, I myself am probably in quite a few kill files, and that’s fine, because I got caught up in all the non-running, "Bush vs the human rights activists" posts. So I deserve to be there. I am still trying to sort out trolls from non-trolls. Sometimes it’s hard for, as someone else mentioned, someone with troll-like behavior will sometimes give what appears to be pretty rational information.

The trolls will throw out some good information once in a while just to stay out of your kill file. It’s usually not worth having to read the other 99% of the garbage. If anyone is rude, uses profanity, or puts someone down, they’re gone, even on their first post. tkb

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And why don’t you sing songs for me? Huh?

Actually I heard one the other day that would be appropriate, and it reminded me of you, it was by an irish guy who does a lot of work for the "Cam Neely foundation" and the song is titled "I’m an a**hole". It goes "I’m an a**hole, a**hole, I’m an a**hole, a**hole" etc etc. Do a search on WinMX for the mp3.

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Listen up dude. DO NOT insult our British Sherriff Mr.Blair.

He’s a total dickwad, just like Bush.

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The best way to avoid the non-running BS is to create a kill file and plonk the worst trolls. I’ll give most new trolls a fair chance. Some of them are rather humorous, but after a while they all become boring. Especially if I come here to learn and share knowlege related to running. Granted, I myself am probably in quite a few kill files, and that’s fine, because I got caught up in all the non-running, "Bush vs the human rights activists" posts. So I deserve to be there.

I am still trying to sort out trolls from non-trolls. Sometimes it’s hard for, as someone else mentioned, someone with troll-like behavior will sometimes give what appears to be pretty rational information. I was Googling on Saw Palmetto one day and happened across alt.baldspot. If you are interested in a newsgroup that has gone to hell, stop by that one. There are a couple of posters there that have made trolling an art and have taken it to the next step — it makes the trolls here looke like wannabes. D. Wells Remove the numbers to mail me. Include the text "gore-in-2004" (without quotation marks) to ensure you make it past the spam filter.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A number of us are serious about running. It depends on what you mean by serious. Well, that depends on what you mean by depends. I think Linda and Pete just want serious answers to their serious questions, I’d like to know how to cure brain cancer, AIDS, and world hunger. But if I post here requesting this, I won’t get any serious responses, because no-one knows.

A lot of people here seem to know a lot about who best can run the USA, including yourself. There certainly is quite a bit of serious discussion about that. rather than having to wade through all the banter amongst the trollers. Wah wah wah wah wah. Trolls are part of unmoderated forums.

Who’s crying? Not I. I gave a perfectly good way to ignore the trolls. No problems here. Again, serious according to whose standards? Serious is a state of mind. There are no externally imposed

standards. It seemed you were imposing your standards. I stand corrected. Anyone, even overweight, baby-stroller-pushing,

caloricly-challenged newbies, can be a serious runners, IMO. Overweight runners can be serious, but serious runners have trouble staying overweight for very long.

It depends on your definition of overweight. Overweight by serious runners’ standards could be considered too thin by the masses. Some members of my running club could stand to lose about 20 pounds. They’ve been that way for years. They are serious runners. At least by my loosely imposed standards. tkb

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"Lovers in the night, they’ll be together, romance at first sight…"

And why don’t you sing songs for me? Huh?

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I’d like to know how to cure brain cancer, AIDS, and world hunger. But if I post here requesting this, I won’t get any serious responses, because no-one knows.

Respect, Donny m’boy, respect! I think we’ll make a troll of you yet

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Or is this newsgroup used for other purposes?

I’m a covert operative with the CIA and I use it to communicate in deeply-embedded code with my contacts. But that’s just me. Do people — runners — who use this group understand my question?

I sure don’t. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, bring him back! http://journals.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo \ - – //

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Correction: ’strangers in the night, they’ll be together….’

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I think Linda and Pete just want serious answers to their serious questions

As many have pointed out, it could hardly be termed a ’serious question’. But anyone that wants to come here to learn and share needs to be given some respect as a serious runner.

Y’see, that’s where we differ. I believe respect has to be earned. It isn’t an assumed-until-proven-otherwise attribute. The best way to avoid the non-running BS is to create a kill file and plonk the worst trolls.

Why most folk don’t follow this advice is beyond me. I’ll give most new trolls a fair chance.

Jolly sporting of you. Some of them are rather humorous, but after a while they all become

boring. Heresy! Heresy! Especially if I come here to learn and share knowlege related to running.

So, don’t open, read or reply to trolls. It’s not like they’re hard to spot. Problem solved. Granted, I myself am probably in quite a few kill files, and that’s fine, because I got caught up in all the non-running, "Bush vs the human rights activists" posts. So I deserve to be there.

I missed that. Should I killfile you? Again, serious according to whose standards? Anyone, even overweight, baby-stroller-pushing, caloricly-challenged newbies, can be a serious runners, IMO.

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Check out coolrunning.com – there are more serious groups there I’ve found – sorry you are meeting such idiots here – I was hoping to find some serious people but that seems to be impossible. – Linda A number of us are serious about running.

It depends on what you mean by serious. I think Linda and Pete just want serious answers to their serious questions, rather than having to wade through all the banter amongst the trollers. They may not qualify as serious runners from a speed/mpw/racing point of view. But anyone that wants to come here to learn and share needs to be given some respect as a serious runner. The best way to avoid the non-running BS is to create a kill file and plonk the worst trolls. I’ll give most new trolls a fair chance. Some of them are rather humorous, but after a while they all become boring. Especially if I come here to learn and share knowlege related to running. Granted, I myself am probably in quite a few kill files, and that’s fine, because I got caught up in all the non-running, "Bush vs the human rights activists" posts. So I deserve to be there. Unfortunately, most serious runners have not given much thought to how many calories one burns while pushing a baby stroller. Not even the ones who run with baby strollers — most of them are more interested in performance than losing weight. Doesn’t that in itself tell you something ? Serious runners don’t have weight problems, at least not for long. If you’d care to be a serious runner for a few years, you won’t have a weight problem either.

Again, serious according to whose standards? Anyone, even overweight, baby-stroller-pushing, caloricly-challenged newbies, can be a serious runners, IMO. Try to be a little patient with us, because this "calorie counting with a baby stroller" business is as new to us as to you.

On that we agree. tkb

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I just want to thank Donovan for being a part of this newsgroup. You don’t retaliate often but when you do it makes it all worth it. On many of the posts yours are the ones that I look forward to reading. You seem like one of the most knowledgeable ones here. Thanks again HM

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Unfortunately, most serious runners have not given much thought to how many calories one burns while pushing a baby stroller.

Especially when you’re gay.

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No. It’s a place for us all to whine about the trolls,

Even we trolls whine about us.

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"Lovers in the night, they’ll be together, romance at first sight…"

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A number of us are serious about running. It depends on what you mean by serious.

Well, that depends on what you mean by depends. I think Linda and Pete just want serious answers to their serious questions,

I’d like to know how to cure brain cancer, AIDS, and world hunger. But if I post here requesting this, I won’t get any serious responses, because no-one knows. However, you can count on the trolls to answer almost anything (especially questions that no-one knows the answer to). rather than having to wade through all the banter amongst the trollers.

Wah wah wah wah wah. Trolls are part of unmoderated forums. Again, serious according to whose standards?

Serious is a state of mind. There are no externally imposed standards. Anyone, even overweight, baby-stroller-pushing, caloricly-challenged newbies, can be a serious runners, IMO.

Overweight runners can be serious, but serious runners have trouble staying overweight for very long. Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Or is this newsgroup used for other purposes? Do people — runners — who use this group understand my question?

No. It’s a place for us all to whine about the trolls, and to yearn for the insipid, moderated banality of web forums for drooling morons unable to use any internet application besides a web browser. Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Or is this newsgroup used for other purposes? Do people — runners — who use this group understand my question? _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, bring him back! http://journals.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo \ - – //

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Or is this newsgroup used for other purposes?

Yes, we use it to jookup for illicit sex. When will you be joining us? Do people — runners — who use this group understand my question?

Nobody does.

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sorry you are meeting such idiots here –

Oh, you two aquainted?

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A number of us are serious about running. Unfortunately, most serious runners have not given much thought to how many calories one burns while pushing a baby stroller. Not even the ones who run with baby strollers — most of them are more interested in performance than losing weight. Doesn’t that in itself tell you something ? Serious runners don’t have weight problems, at least not for long. If you’d care to be a serious runner for a few years, you won’t have a weight problem either. Try to be a little patient with us, because this "calorie counting with a baby stroller" business is as new to us as to you. Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Or is this newsgroup used for other purposes? Do people — runners — who use this group understand my question? _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, bring him back! http://journals.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo \ - – //

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Really for running? No. We tend to use the roads, trails and parks for running. The newsgroup we use to chatter amongst ourselves about subjects that may, or may not, be directly related to running. It was ever thus, and ever will be. Or is this newsgroup used for other purposes?

Oh, you mean the wind-ups? Let me explain. Like any good broad-spectrum antibiotic, this group can cure all sorts of disease. You have a problem with technical training? Lyndon, Sam and Donny pop along. Mystical running? Oz is your man. Desert running? Common. Ultras? Stumpus, Freese, et al. Girlie stuff? Mary049, joe p., Teresea. And so on… For each element within running there are a number of conflicting – and usually contrary – opinions on ‘how best to achieve your goals’. My take on the matter is that running is an activity best learned through personal experience – i.e. you make mistakes, you learn, you adapt, you accumulate knowledge, you get better. Given that we are not running to survive, but for fun, I think this process of self-education is a core part of the activity. Others disagree. So I tease them. Do people — runners — who use this group understand my question?

As a runner who uses this group, I’d have to say "no". Does this matter? Probably not. As long as one person does, that’s fine. OTOH, if no-one understand you, are you *really* asking a question? Are you? Huh?

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Update – bad week

admin — Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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sounds to me like you are making progress by evaluating what happened and you also seem to be making a plan to keep your success going, good for you, Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I did not eat well nor recover well from being on vacation (going to my father’s for the July 4 weekend). I started out ok (except for the chocolate chip cookies the 1st night) and progressively got worse with the sweets; regular food was OK except for too much peanut butter). We came back to Dallas on Monday night, and whenever DH and I return from a holiday weekend like that, we have a hard time getting back on track (meal-wise and otherwise). I was feeling rather disgusted with myself with my apparent inability to control myself (although I was very picky on what I binged on!), then I decided this was not much different from the 2 weeks I went to England and Rome last November and ate seemingly non-stop. (OK, I don’t have the excuse of the great Italian food and the very good/I- hardly-ever-have-it British food!) I know I’ll lose the weight I regained (not much, I haven’t been very good at weighing myself first thing in the morning, but I’ve gained about 4 to 5 pounds, and even had some water weight on top of that). So I’ll probably have to pay the next time I have to weigh in (for those who don’t remember, I just made lifetime 2 weeks ago); I have the ticket. I think I let the desire not to pay anymore rush me a bit in my weight loss. I’ve been keeping up on my exercise (even stepping it up a bit), and that’s pretty good. I even bought some good running shoes Friday so I can start running outside and join a running club. But I digress. I was even avoiding reading this group because I didn’t want to whine about my problems when 1) I really think I’ve had it pretty good and 2) I don’t make enough supportive posts (time management is one of the things I’m working on). However, I am posting now. I’ve given myself permission to be a bit free on the food today before I get back on track with eating and other stuff tomorrow (esp. since I did a major workout today, and did it feel good!). Yes, I did "resolve" to get back on track each day, but I didn’t follow through. I’ve learned (nothing is a failure if you learn from it!) that I think I need to incorporate more sweets (my weakness the past week) into my regular diet so I don’t eat too much when I do have access to them. I think this also has been part of a self-defeating tendency on my part (I gained quite a bit after I made goal as well). Something definitely to work on! Sorry if this seems a bit rambly, but I’ve had so much going through my head that to write it all down would be a major undertaking and I don’t want to put y’all through that. And I’ve been a bit heavy on the parentheicals, but oh well. Thanks for listening, and congratulations to the losers! Betsey

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Finding the balance between sweets-deprivation and sweets-binging can be tricky business. I struggle with that myself. When I eliminate all sweets from my diet, I usually don’t miss them past the first few uncomfortable days. But once I start eating sweets, I want more and more. Your exercise plan sounds good. Keep doing what works. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I did not eat well nor recover well from being on vacation (going to my father’s for the July 4 weekend). I started out ok (except for the chocolate chip cookies the 1st night) and progressively got worse with the sweets; regular food was OK except for too much peanut butter). We came back to Dallas on Monday night, and whenever DH and I return from a holiday weekend like that, we have a hard time getting back on track (meal-wise and otherwise). I was feeling rather disgusted with myself with my apparent inability to control myself (although I was very picky on what I binged on!), then I decided this was not much different from the 2 weeks I went to England and Rome last November and ate seemingly non-stop. (OK, I don’t have the excuse of the great Italian food and the very good/I- hardly-ever-have-it British food!) I know I’ll lose the weight I regained (not much, I haven’t been very good at weighing myself first thing in the morning, but I’ve gained about 4 to 5 pounds, and even had some water weight on top of that). So I’ll probably have to pay the next time I have to weigh in (for those who don’t remember, I just made lifetime 2 weeks ago); I have the ticket. I think I let the desire not to pay anymore rush me a bit in my weight loss. I’ve been keeping up on my exercise (even stepping it up a bit), and that’s pretty good. I even bought some good running shoes Friday so I can start running outside and join a running club. But I digress. I was even avoiding reading this group because I didn’t want to whine about my problems when 1) I really think I’ve had it pretty good and 2) I don’t make enough supportive posts (time management is one of the things I’m working on). However, I am posting now. I’ve given myself permission to be a bit free on the food today before I get back on track with eating and other stuff tomorrow (esp. since I did a major workout today, and did it feel good!). Yes, I did "resolve" to get back on track each day, but I didn’t follow through. I’ve learned (nothing is a failure if you learn from it!) that I think I need to incorporate more sweets (my weakness the past week) into my regular diet so I don’t eat too much when I do have access to them. I think this also has been part of a self-defeating tendency on my part (I gained quite a bit after I made goal as well). Something definitely to work on! Sorry if this seems a bit rambly, but I’ve had so much going through my head that to write it all down would be a major undertaking and I don’t want to put y’all through that. And I’ve been a bit heavy on the parentheicals, but oh well. Thanks for listening, and congratulations to the losers! Betsey

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Hang in there Betsey. You can get back on track. Take one day at a time. Get out your journal and your water glass/bottle. Good luck.

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Hi, Betsey, You are trying and that is good. Once you are back on program, the weight will come off. — Take Care Catherine joined 5/20/98 Lifetime 6/2/99 154/134.4/136 Personal goal 126

Well, I did not eat well nor recover well from being on vacation (going to my father’s for the July 4 weekend). I started out ok (except for the chocolate chip cookies the 1st night) and progressively got worse with the sweets; regular food was OK except for too much peanut butter). We came back to Dallas on Monday night, and whenever DH and I return from a holiday weekend like that, we have a hard time getting back on track (meal-wise and otherwise). I was feeling rather disgusted with myself with my apparent inability to control myself (although I was very picky on what I binged on!), then I decided this was not much different from the 2 weeks I went to England and Rome last November and ate seemingly non-stop. (OK, I don’t have the excuse of the great Italian food and the very good/I- hardly-ever-have-it British food!) I know I’ll lose the weight I regained (not much, I haven’t been very good at weighing myself first thing in the morning, but I’ve gained about 4 to 5 pounds, and even had some water weight on top of that). So I’ll probably have to pay the next time I have to weigh in (for those who don’t remember, I just made lifetime 2 weeks ago); I have the ticket. I think I let the desire not to pay anymore rush me a bit in my weight loss. I’ve been keeping up on my exercise (even stepping it up a bit), and that’s pretty good. I even bought some good running shoes Friday so I can start running outside and join a running club. But I digress. I was even avoiding reading this group because I didn’t want to whine about my problems when 1) I really think I’ve had it pretty good and 2) I don’t make enough supportive posts (time management is one of the things I’m working on). However, I am posting now. I’ve given myself permission to be a bit free on the food today before I get back on track with eating and other stuff tomorrow (esp. since I did a major workout today, and did it feel good!). Yes, I did "resolve" to get back on track each day, but I didn’t follow through. I’ve learned (nothing is a failure if you learn from it!) that I think I need to incorporate more sweets (my weakness the past week) into my regular diet so I don’t eat too much when I do have access to them. I think this also has been part of a self-defeating tendency on my part (I gained quite a bit after I made goal as well). Something definitely to work on! Sorry if this seems a bit rambly, but I’ve had so much going through my head that to write it all down would be a major undertaking and I don’t want to put y’all through that. And I’ve been a bit heavy on the parentheicals, but oh well. Thanks for listening, and congratulations to the losers! Betsey

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Sorry to hear the struggle, but we are here. I know you can get back on track and get back to where you need to be. We all have our moments that cause us to go nuts with the foods. That is how we ended up here to begin with. Remember we are trying to change the bad habits into good ones. A habit takes years to change. It took most of us at least 20 years to get the bad habit, how long do you think it will take to rewrite our brain to the good habit. These habits have been in our head since being a kid, now we have to rethink and relive to get them out. I know it is not easy and this is a lifestyle change. Keep it up… Charlie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I did not eat well nor recover well from being on vacation (going to my father’s for the July 4 weekend). I started out ok (except for the chocolate chip cookies the 1st night) and progressively got worse with the sweets; regular food was OK except for too much peanut butter). We came back to Dallas on Monday night, and whenever DH and I return from a holiday weekend like that, we have a hard time getting back on track (meal-wise and otherwise). I was feeling rather disgusted with myself with my apparent inability to control myself (although I was very picky on what I binged on!), then I decided this was not much different from the 2 weeks I went to England and Rome last November and ate seemingly non-stop. (OK, I don’t have the excuse of the great Italian food and the very good/I- hardly-ever-have-it British food!) I know I’ll lose the weight I regained (not much, I haven’t been very good at weighing myself first thing in the morning, but I’ve gained about 4 to 5 pounds, and even had some water weight on top of that). So I’ll probably have to pay the next time I have to weigh in (for those who don’t remember, I just made lifetime 2 weeks ago); I have the ticket. I think I let the desire not to pay anymore rush me a bit in my weight loss. I’ve been keeping up on my exercise (even stepping it up a bit), and that’s pretty good. I even bought some good running shoes Friday so I can start running outside and join a running club. But I digress. I was even avoiding reading this group because I didn’t want to whine about my problems when 1) I really think I’ve had it pretty good and 2) I don’t make enough supportive posts (time management is one of the things I’m working on). However, I am posting now. I’ve given myself permission to be a bit free on the food today before I get back on track with eating and other stuff tomorrow (esp. since I did a major workout today, and did it feel good!). Yes, I did "resolve" to get back on track each day, but I didn’t follow through. I’ve learned (nothing is a failure if you learn from it!) that I think I need to incorporate more sweets (my weakness the past week) into my regular diet so I don’t eat too much when I do have access to them. I think this also has been part of a self-defeating tendency on my part (I gained quite a bit after I made goal as well). Something definitely to work on! Sorry if this seems a bit rambly, but I’ve had so much going through my head that to write it all down would be a major undertaking and I don’t want to put y’all through that. And I’ve been a bit heavy on the parentheicals, but oh well. Thanks for listening, and congratulations to the losers! Betsey

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first podiatrist visit

admin — Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi folks– Just had my first podiatrist visit, for some foot and ankle problems that I’ve had for 3 months or so and haven’t gotten any better. I’m now taped up on my right foot for a week (a *j- strap* with padding taping), in order to immobilize my foot and ankle and also provide a bit of padding for my arch. Right now, I’m only supposed to do minimal walking (short walk of 20 min or so, in addition to incidental walking to shop, etc) till my next visit on July 6th. Hopefully this will help, but I guessing it won’t be the full solution, since I’ve had this problem (plus a number of other biomechanical issues with my left foot) for awhile–but he’s doing this route first because I don’t have insurance and of course I want to keep the cost down. I don’t remember spraining my ankle previously, butt obviously I did something significant enough to cause something to go wrong. How long did it take some of you to recover and get so that you were able to run/walk again? I haven’t been able to run without pain for a few months now– Jean in VA — "If you are going through hell, keep going." Winston Churchill

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Hope you recover fast. If this does not work, I would suggest you go to a "running clinic" that will have hopefully a "running" podiatrist that can diagnose you fast and give you answers to your questions. Not sure where in VA you live but I know that C’ville has a running clinic. Might be run through UVA services. Kevin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks– Just had my first podiatrist visit, for some foot and ankle problems that I’ve had for 3 months or so and haven’t gotten any better. I’m now taped up on my right foot for a week (a *j- strap* with padding taping), in order to immobilize my foot and ankle and also provide a bit of padding for my arch. Right now, I’m only supposed to do minimal walking (short walk of 20 min or so, in addition to incidental walking to shop, etc) till my next visit on July 6th. Hopefully this will help, but I guessing it won’t be the full solution, since I’ve had this problem (plus a number of other biomechanical issues with my left foot) for awhile–but he’s doing this route first because I don’t have insurance and of course I want to keep the cost down. I don’t remember spraining my ankle previously, butt obviously I did something significant enough to cause something to go wrong. How long did it take some of you to recover and get so that you were able to run/walk again? I haven’t been able to run without pain for a few months now– Jean in VA — "If you are going through hell, keep going." Winston Churchill

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thanks for the reply–actually, the podiatrist I saw yesterday is one of the team physicians for W & M–and treats the track and CC teams in addition to all of my *walking wounded* friends in my local running club–so for now I’ll stay with this guy, as I’d say he is pretty well versed on how to deal with athletes at all levels–older and slower ones like me, as well as competitive intercollegiate and regional *stars* who consistently win local and regional races. Jean in VA .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hope you recover fast. If this does not work, I would suggest you go to a "running clinic" that will have hopefully a "running" podiatrist that can diagnose you fast and give you answers to your questions. Not sure where in VA you live but I know that C’ville has a running clinic. Might be run through UVA services. Kevin Hi folks– Just had my first podiatrist visit, for some foot and ankle problems that I’ve had for 3 months or so and haven’t gotten any better. I’m now taped up on my right foot for a week (a *j- strap* with padding taping), in order to immobilize my foot and ankle and also provide a bit of padding for my arch. Right now, I’m only supposed to do minimal walking (short walk of 20 min or so, in addition to incidental walking to shop, etc) till my next visit on July 6th. Hopefully this will help, but I guessing it won’t be the full solution, since I’ve had this problem (plus a number of other biomechanical issues with my left foot) for awhile–but he’s doing this route first because I don’t have insurance and of course I want to keep the cost down. I don’t remember spraining my ankle previously, butt obviously I did something significant enough to cause something to go wrong. How long did it take some of you to recover and get so that you were able to run/walk again? I haven’t been able to run without pain for a few months now– Jean in VA — "If you are going through hell, keep going." Winston Churchill

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Jean, I too made my first visit to a podiatrist, but I have a few questions. Why is it required to strip completely naked for a foot exam? And what’s with the bending over and saying "oh yes baby" stuff? I thought his tongue tickled between my toes too. Do all pods do it this way? Funny thing was, afterwards I felt like I needed a shower… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks– Just had my first podiatrist visit, for some foot and ankle problems that I’ve had for 3 months or so and haven’t gotten any better. I’m now taped up on my right foot for a week (a *j- strap* with padding taping), in order to immobilize my foot and ankle and also provide a bit of padding for my arch. Right now, I’m only supposed to do minimal walking (short walk of 20 min or so, in addition to incidental walking to shop, etc) till my next visit on July 6th. Hopefully this will help, but I guessing it won’t be the full solution, since I’ve had this problem (plus a number of other biomechanical issues with my left foot) for awhile–but he’s doing this route first because I don’t have insurance and of course I want to keep the cost down. I don’t remember spraining my ankle previously, butt obviously I did something significant enough to cause something to go wrong. How long did it take some of you to recover and get so that you were able to run/walk again? I haven’t been able to run without pain for a few months now– Jean in VA

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Think you went into the wrong door of the office building. Next time, make sure the sign says PSYCHIATRIST.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks– Just had my first podiatrist visit, for some foot and ankle problems that I’ve had for 3 months or so and haven’t gotten any better. I’m now taped up on my right foot for a week (a *j- strap* with padding taping), in order to immobilize my foot and ankle and also provide a bit of padding for my arch. Right now, I’m only supposed to do minimal walking (short walk of 20 min or so, in addition to incidental walking to shop, etc) till my next visit on July 6th. Hopefully this will help, but I guessing it won’t be the full solution, since I’ve had this problem (plus a number of other biomechanical issues with my left foot) for awhile–but he’s doing this route first because I don’t have insurance and of course I want to keep the cost down. I don’t remember spraining my ankle previously, butt obviously I did something significant enough to cause something to go wrong. How long did it take some of you to recover and get so that you were able to run/walk again? I haven’t been able to run without pain for a few months now– Jean in VA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thanks for the reply–actually, the podiatrist I saw yesterday is one of the team physicians for W & M–and treats the track and CC teams in addition to all of my *walking wounded* friends in my local running club–so for now I’ll stay with this guy, as I’d say he is pretty well versed on how to deal with athletes at all levels–older and slower ones like me, as well as competitive intercollegiate and regional *stars* who consistently win local and regional races. Jean in VA . Hope you recover fast. If this does not work, I would suggest you go to a "running clinic" that will have hopefully a "running" podiatrist that can diagnose you fast and give you answers to your questions. Not sure where in VA you live but I know that C’ville has a running clinic. Might be run through UVA services. Kevin Hi folks– Just had my first podiatrist visit, for some foot and ankle problems that I’ve had for 3 months or so and haven’t gotten any better. I’m now taped up on my right foot for a week (a *j- strap* with padding taping), in order to immobilize my foot and ankle and also provide a bit of padding for my arch. Right now, I’m only supposed to do minimal walking (short walk of 20 min or so, in addition to incidental walking to shop, etc) till my next visit on July 6th. Hopefully this will help, but I guessing it won’t be the full solution, since I’ve had this problem (plus a number of other biomechanical issues with my left foot) for awhile–but he’s doing this route first because I don’t have insurance and of course I want to keep the cost down. I don’t remember spraining my ankle previously, butt obviously I did something significant enough to cause something to go wrong. How long did it take some of you to recover and get so that you were able to run/walk again? I haven’t been able to run without pain for a few months now– Jean in VA

I’ve had a fair share of injuries over decades of running and I’m still surprised with new ones occasionally. You probably would not have this pain/injury if you did not run.(duh) You could have stopped running and self-imobilized your own ankle and saved the doctor’s fees. I can’t critize a first visit though because it tells you what the professional thinks and lets you know what the options might be. I see an injury, especially a minor one, as an opportunity for you to access you running form and equipment. What is there about these that gets you into pain? You can begin to analyze and try different things. Begin a logical process of changing something and testing it for shorter runs. If it doesn’t work, discard it. Eventually, you can often hit on something that will resolve the problem from that day forward. And that’s something that you can’t say for simply waiting for it to get better on its own and repeating the injury process.

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Think you went into the wrong door of the office building. Next time, make sure the sign says PSYCHIATRIST.

Then stop emailing me for the Dr’s address. I know it’s the only possible way you could ever get laid, but you’ll just have to face a life of jacking off into a sock, while the rest of us have lives.

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Training Week Ending June 27, 2004

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org www.absolutelyaccurate.com

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Goals: 1/2 marathon next Saturday. Mon: 8 miles Tue 8miles inc. 8×300mm strides Wed: 5 miles Thurs: 8 miles Fri: 8 miles Sat: 3 miles Sun: rest Total: 40 miles — Colm

: Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training : week and goals.

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

s – Father’s Day 5k race, posted 2nd best 5k time ever = 22:11, yay! m – DNR, short bike workout t – DNR, 35 min. continuous swim workout w – easy :30 run, little bit of ITBS bothering me, but nailed the cause (foot strike too much with the forefoot), corrected it, & all better t – DNR f – :40 strong run s – DNR, some core exercises s (today)…. might swim, might bike… no run til Monday, though goals: stay injury free and healthy. MAYBE do a sprint triathlon next weekend. if not, then i’ll take it easy for a bit, then do some road races next month. do an early Sept. sprint triathlon Cam

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Goals: get over left foot PF and build a strong base for the fall racing season. First race is Saguaro Nat’l Park 8-miler on Labor Day (Sept). Mon: Rest Day Tues: 5.45 mi at 9:32 pace. First running in two weeks and it WAS WONDERFUL! Though I was having a few foot aches. Also got to try new toy- A Garmin Forerunner! Fun to play with! Still a lot to learn though… Wed: 5.45 mi @ 9:14 pace. Foot is less achy today, but it’s hotter out and I sure feel it. Thurs: 45 minutes on bike trainer. Med-hard. And ab workout on the Pilates ball. Fri: Rest Day Sat: 45 minutes on bike trainer, weights workout, another 45 minutes on bike trainer, then ab workout on Pilates ball Sun: Easy 7.5 mi at Sabino Canyon. Some foot aches when I forgot and started moving out too fast. Lovely run. Total running: 18.4 miles Teresa in AZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. cheers,

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I am still trying to qualify for a