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(5) gloves and mitts: mitts give you better insulation. And you’ll need it on cold days. I put on gloves below 50, and by the time it’s 30 or less, I need really warm gloves.

I have some basic standards (they change with precipitation levels): 40 and above: shorts and sleeveless thin dri-fit (or similar) 30 to 40: shorts, long-sleeved thin dri-fit 20 to 30: shorts, sleeveless thin dri-fit and long-sleeved thin dri-fit over top 10 to 20: pants, any wicking variety works for me (I never wear tights), sleeveless thin dri-fit, running pullover/jacket, gloves (the miniature stretch wool gloves you get for $ 1.99 at K-Mart) 10 and below: same as above with skull cap and additional layer beneath pullover/jacket I don’t even get too scientific or particular about the products I wear, I am more concerned with rubbing and chaffing than I am warmth. Regardless of the weather I am cold for the first mile or so and sweating hot 3 miles into my run. I’d much rather suffer a mile or two of cold than 5 or 6 miles of overheating. As I look around at my fellow runners here in Colorado I don’t see many at all who are significantly different from me in their choice of attire for running in respective temperature ranges.

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That seems like a lot of work….just to end up looking like a circus clown.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Winter’s coming, time to pick up some gear if you don’t have it yet. Winter gear has been discussed to death before, and some of the discussion has been summarised and linked to here: http://www.pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/running/winter_reviews/ Having made it through a winter, my take on winter essentials is: (1) I like windproof soft shell clothing. Especially clothes with a windproof front and a breathable polyester back. This type of garment protects you from the wind, but breathes much better than a jacket. Because running jackets are designed to be waterproof, they don’t breathe all that well, even with pit zips, mesh, back vents and all that. <SNIP Cheers, Holy Shit dude, you shop more than my wife!

Not only that, I probably own more shoes than her (-; Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Winter’s coming, time to pick up some gear if you don’t have it yet. Winter gear has been discussed to death before, and some of the discussion has been summarised and linked to here: http://www.pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/running/winter_reviews/ Having made it through a winter, my take on winter essentials is: (1) I like windproof soft shell clothing. Especially clothes with a windproof front and a breathable polyester back. This type of garment protects you from the wind, but breathes much better than a jacket. Because running jackets are designed to be waterproof, they don’t breathe all that well, even with pit zips, mesh, back vents and all that. <SNIP Cheers,

Holy Shit dude, you shop more than my wife! M.T.

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Thanks Donovan, indeed, good winter gear makes all the difference.  I’m interested in this: Sugoi windhibitor evaporator jacket: jacket similar to the midlayer: windproof front, soft breathable poly back. greggscycle.com, $70.

It’s http://www.greggscycles.com/cartgenie/prod-1254.htm without the ’s’ it’s some sponsored link search thing.  Is Sugoi the only company making this kind of front-block back-vent top?  Thanks. -Tony ps. Windboxers do seem hard to find.  I got some Asics ones at

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Bunch of stuff from MEC: http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_listing.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=…

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Thanks Donovan, indeed, good winter gear makes all the difference.  I’m interested in this: Sugoi windhibitor evaporator jacket: jacket similar to the midlayer: windproof front, soft breathable poly back. greggscycle.com, $70. It’s http://www.greggscycles.com/cartgenie/prod-1254.htm without the ’s’ it’s some sponsored link search thing.  Is Sugoi the only company making this kind of front-block back-vent top?  Thanks.

First, thanks for the correction. About your question — There are three brands I’ve seen that have used the windproof front/breathable polyester back design: Sugoi (windhibitor midlayer/evaporator top) Sporthill (the explorer top, see REI) and the REI lightweight cross country ski jacket. http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8001&catalogId… http://tinyurl.com/4qu68 ps. Windboxers do seem hard to find.  I got some Asics ones at

Sugoi: http://revelsports.com/Sugoi/19010U.htm Sporthill: http://milemarkersports.com/product.php?TypeID=0830&gender=m Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Winter’s coming, time to pick up some gear if you don’t have it yet. Winter gear has been discussed to death before, and some of the discussion has been summarised and linked to here: http://www.pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/running/winter_reviews/ Having made it through a winter, my take on winter essentials is: (1) I like windproof soft shell clothing. Especially clothes with a windproof front and a breathable polyester back. This type of garment protects you from the wind, but breathes much better than a jacket. Because running jackets are designed to be waterproof, they don’t breathe all that well, even with pit zips, mesh, back vents and all that. (2) Despite not liking running jackets that much, one thing they have going for them is visibility. They are very reflective, and if you get one in a bright color, you will be visible from a great distance. (3) socks: nothing beats wool on cold, wet days. Forget about keeping your feet dry when it’s wet out. It’s not going to happen. Instead, wear something that stays warm when it gets wet. Like wool. (4) pants: pants are nice and comfortable, but tights are a must when you have cold rain. Though the sporthill 3sp pants may be an exception (polypro, so they won’t hold any water) (5) gloves and mitts: mitts give you better insulation. And you’ll need it on cold days. I put on gloves below 50, and by the time it’s 30 or less, I need really warm gloves. There are only two brands I know of that make running mitts– sugoi and sporthill. The sugoi ones are available cheaply now. Several brands make ski mitts, some of these are OK, but most are way too bulky. (6) wind briefs/boxers: The difference between a "wind brief" and any other brief is that the wind brief has a small patch of material similar to that used on windshells over the fly. Besides that, it’s basically an ordinary brief. But that little patch is important, and on windy days, you (if you’re a guy) will really appreciate that little patch.  I have sugoi and hind boxers/ briefs, both are good. I highly recommend these for guys. They’re not available cheaply now. REI have some less expensive windbrief, don’t know if these are any good. Having said all of this, here is a bunch of stuff I’ve found on the net while looking around for winter clothes: Some picks in different categories: Rain Jackets Pearl izumi flash jacket, REI. This one is a polyester shell with large reflective patches.  Has a back vent and pockets. On rei-outlet for $42 Sugoi Bosui vapor jacket:  top of the line from Sugoi. On rei-outlet, mens and womens $57 Sugoi Pro jacket: cheap jacket from sugoi, $22 on rei-outlet Marmot precip jacket: popular rain jacket from a brand that makes top notch hiking/ski gear. This should nearly always available on ebay, it’s a "classic". ebay: lots of jackets here, look around. footlocker: ditto. Search for clearance running clothing Windproof clothing Sugoi windhibitor midlayer (womens): windproof front (densely woven soft shell fabric), highly breathable polyester back. $50 at coloradocyclist.com. Mens version is $75 at holabirdsports.com (or get the womens 1 size up) Sugoi windhibitor evaporator jacket: jacket similar to the midlayer: windproof front, soft breathable poly back. greggscycle.com, $70. Sporthill catalyst top: windpro fleece top. $54- on rei-outlet Sporthill windshield hacket: soft shell jacket. $80 on rei-outlet rei lightweight cross country ski jacket: soft shell jacket with windproof front and poly panels on the back. $47 on rei-outlet sporthill windshield pants: no-one (or almost no-one) really needs windproof pants IMO, but you can get them on rei-outlet. ebay: sometimes has sugoi windhibitor clothing, mountain hardwear (windproof tops called "transition tee"), and marmot’s light windproof top ("evolution") Marmot sharp point jacket, marmot gravity jacket: Just threw these in for the hell of it. Very warm soft shell jackets, which can often be found on ebay. Will probably be too warm for most people. Gloves: ——- smartwool glove liners $8 rei-outlet hind gloves: performancebike.com sugoi micratherm wind mitt: $15 performancebike.com Tops: sporthill infuzion top. This is a warm poly top with a zip neck. Mens and womens. $40 rei-outlet sporthill tempo top. Light nylon top. Mens and womens. $28 rei-outlet hinddrylete top: light poly/nylon top with zip neck. womens: $22, rei-outlet. hind tops are also available at footlocker.com (mens,womens) and campmor.com (womens) insport: a bunch of stuff at insport.com (under "sale") and rei-outlet.com. For example, the vapor fleece top is a very warm poly fleece top. duofold: low cost wicking base layer gear. campmor.com. Pants and tights: Hind on campmor, insport (several choices) rei-outlet.com pearl izumi: womens on rei-outlet.com hind: munich pants on campmor.com Socks: smartwool: RBX racer socks, RBX ultra cushion socks, RBX micro mini socks $8 rei-outlet. Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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I just need to know briefly what some of you are wearing for running in the extreme cold.  In preparation for a 11mile Dec 29th trail run,. and tricky winters here in Indiana, I want to get a pair of tights.    I have winter gear but need what type of  _material_ for COLD, cloudy, windy day.??Are there any known tights out there for this particular brutal COLD running. I am willing of course to pay the price for one pair. Now I  have plenty of running gear for temps in the teens but not for single digits and sub zero.  I layer on top. Also, if there is a lot of snow on the ground is there anything I can buy to protect my lower leg from getting wet and freezing. Thanks. Just want some ideas before I head to Galyans and running store. Laurie-

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I just need to know briefly what some of you are wearing for running in the extreme cold.  In preparation for a 11mile Dec 29th trail run,. and tricky winters here in Indiana, I want to get a pair of tights.    I have winter gear but need what type of  _material_ for COLD, cloudy, windy day.??Are there any known tights out there for this particular brutal COLD running. I am willing of course to pay the price for one pair. Now I  have plenty of running gear for temps in the teens but not for single digits and sub zero.  I layer on top. Also, if there is a lot of snow on the ground is there anything I can buy to protect my lower leg from getting wet and freezing. Thanks. Just want some ideas before I head to Galyans and running store. Laurie-

Laurie, For sub-0 and wind, I think I would layer fleece (or light power dry, if you’re warmer blooded than I am) under SportHills XC pants – SportHills are pricey, but I found they are working better for me than the other combinations I’ve tried in the past month (southcentral Alaska banana belt). SportHill XC pants are "rated" to 15F and 35mph winds but I could feel the 15mph wind through them (windchill 8F). A powerdry layer underneath fixed that next time around (10F, calm). You might try gaiters for the ankles and the top portion of your feet (haven’t tested them yet). Bill pointed me to RaceReady for some but I haven’t bought any yet and they may be too low for deep snow – ski gaiters may be better. What I’m going to try the next time we have soft snow is putting duct tape over the open mesh on the toes of the running shoe. I didn’t get that idea until last night so haven’t had a chance to try it yet and am not sure if it will hold that well. The toe mesh is where I get the most cold, wet snow seeping through to my feet. A much better idea is found on http://www.fred.net/ultrunr/cold.html (scroll down to Dave Hurd for shoe techniques) (Bill pointed me to that general web site for lots of good information) Click on YourGear, then scroll down to "Strictly for Foot" on the following URL http://www.susitna100.com/ The following URL has some suggestions also. http://www.runningclubnorth.org/lcld_prs.htm What I’m finding on many of the websites that I’ve checked out is that for the cold, snowy conditions, using a neoprene or weatherproof sock of some sort seems to be recommended. I tested StormCloth ones one night, and they were ok, but we haven’t had the wet snow that I was intending them for. Polartec socks were also much warmer than my Ultimax. But I haven’t had the real cold temps yet to test the other socks I’ve got, like SmartWool. As you may have guessed, I’ve been dealing with the same questions for the past month Good luck! Dot

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    Start with CoolMax or the like.  Keep away from cotton like the plague, except for a throw away top layer.     Exactly what depends on the weather of the day.  In most typical weather say 20-30 F I would have a pair of moderate to heavy tights a CoolMax shirt long sleeve with a light weigh over shirt.  Over that I would have an old race sweat shirt that I plan on dumping shortly after starting the run. If convenient I will pick it up later, if not no loss. — Dia ’s Muire duit Joseph E. Meehan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just need to know briefly what some of you are wearing for running in the extreme cold.  In preparation for a 11mile Dec 29th trail run,. and tricky winters here in Indiana, I want to get a pair of tights.    I have winter gear but need what type of  _material_ for COLD, cloudy, windy day.??Are there any known tights out there for this particular brutal COLD running. I am willing of course to pay the price for one pair. Now I  have plenty of running gear for temps in the teens but not for single digits and sub zero.  I layer on top. Also, if there is a lot of snow on the ground is there anything I can buy to protect my lower leg from getting wet and freezing. Thanks. Just want some ideas before I head to Galyans and running store. Laurie-

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I just need to know briefly what some of you are wearing for running in the extreme cold.  In preparation for a 11mile Dec 29th trail run,. and tricky winters here in Indiana, I want to get a pair of tights.  

Tights come in different thickness’ and provide different levels of warmth. I have various pairs and thickness’. I use the wind as a guide. If is just cold out I match the appropriate pair. If it’s to be windy or I’m not sure and to be safe, I wear a thin pair with nylon pants on top and have been good for -15 and lots of wind. It I didn’t already have umpteenth pairs I could get by with regular lycra tights and decide whether or not to to add the nylon wind breaker.   — Caveat Lector "the further you go outside, the further you go inside" – B. McKibben Doug Freese

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Layers. Under 0F I may have two on legs and three on top.

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I just need to know briefly what some of you are wearing for running in the extreme cold.

How about a treadmill, or access to an inside track Still hasn’t broken the 30’s here during my early runs.

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Wow, and here I am wondering what to wear when it’s 40F!  ;-)  (Often foggy & windy though.)  Cotton isn’t great because of the sweat factor, but is it really necessary to spend several hundred dollars on a good top & tights?  (Or more for more than one so I’m not doing laundry every day.)  I just find if I get chilled at the beginning (in the wind/fog), I’m not able to warm back up again even after running a couple of miles and I’m still freezing at the end of the run. Right now I am wearing an old Hind bike shirt which probably looks silly, but I go to the sports store and just can’t make myself fork over $125 for a new top.  I am treating myself to good shoes but thought that would be the only "major" expense – I thought running would be (comparatively) inexpensive!  ;-)

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Oh my, $125?! there MUST be less expensive places where you could find some of the "wicking" fabric clothes. Do you have a Mountain Equipment Co-op store nearby? Or something like that, that sells outdoors and athletic gear for pretty decent prices. I’ve gotten a few shirts at MEC at a fraction of the cost of those at Running Room. For example, a $20 light wicking shirt at MEC vs. about 50 bucks at RR. Maybe you could shop by mail order through a running magazine. I haven’t done this, but I think several ng people have. Ask around….. best of luck! Cam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow, and here I am wondering what to wear when it’s 40F!  ;-)  (Often foggy & windy though.)  Cotton isn’t great because of the sweat factor, but is it really necessary to spend several hundred dollars on a good top & tights?  (Or more for more than one so I’m not doing laundry every day.)  I just find if I get chilled at the beginning (in the wind/fog), I’m not able to warm back up again even after running a couple of miles and I’m still freezing at the end of the run. Right now I am wearing an old Hind bike shirt which probably looks silly, but I go to the sports store and just can’t make myself fork over $125 for a new top. I am treating myself to good shoes but thought that would be the only "major" expense – I thought running would be (comparatively) inexpensive!  ;-)

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If it’s to be windy or I’m not sure and to be safe, I wear a thin pair with nylon pants on top and have been good for -15 and lots of wind.

What type of breathable wind shell (top half, not pants) do you use? I’ve been trying to replace my supplex one (lost luggage with airlines) and haven’t found anything yet. My other "breathable" shells that I had laying around come back dripping on the inside after a 40-minute run. Right now, I’m just carrying one with me for weather changes, but I don’t like that as a long-term solution. Thanks. Dot

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Dot, Thank you so much for those links. I have checked them out and they really have some valuable tips. I just bought a 3 piece goretex Patagonia ski suit. I can always wear the vest for this trail run. Lower body is my concern. I appreciate your tips and have a better idea now from reading those sights. This trail is around water, and wind and cold and being isolated are just a couple of  things I need to prepare for. It is only 11 miles of a 50k but it can get pretty darn cold out there, esp without the sun. thanks again Laurie

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Wow, and here I am wondering what to wear when it’s 40F!  ;-)  (Often foggy & windy though.)  Cotton isn’t great because of the sweat factor, but is it really necessary to spend several hundred dollars on a good top & tights?  

Depends on how far you run. For my morning 5-8 mile runs I use sweat pants and a few cotton running shirts with a wind breaker. OTOH for my long runs I jump into the poly_yuckta tops and appropriate bottom wear. Right now I am wearing an old Hind bike shirt which probably looks silly, but I go to the sports store and just can’t make myself fork over $125 for a new top.

It’s not necessary to spend this amount of money to stay warm and dry in the winter.  I am treating myself to good shoes but thought that would be the only "major" expense – I thought running would be (comparatively) inexpensive!  ;-)

It is but they do parade some really nice looking stuff to temp your tastes. — Caveat Lector "the further you go outside, the further you go inside" – B. McKibben Doug Freese

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Dot asked: What type of breathable wind shell (top half, not pants) do you use?

My bride bought me a Frank Shorter gortex jacket. I wear a poly long sleeve shirt(or two) underneath and I have never been cold. The vents and general breathability seem to wick nicely as I sweat a lot. My hands thought, have been very sensitive since my winter trip to Fairbanks many years ago. I wear very heavy mittens. — Caveat Lector "the further you go outside, the further you go inside" – B. McKibben Doug Freese

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How about a treadmill, or access to an inside track

My psychiatry bill would offset the warmth. I’d go bloody nuts. — Caveat Lector "the further you go outside, the further you go inside" – B. McKibben Doug Freese

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Glad I could share the help that other’s have shared with me. Good luck! Dot – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dot, Thank you so much for those links. I have checked them out and they really have some valuable tips. I just bought a 3 piece goretex Patagonia ski suit. I can always wear the vest for this trail run. Lower body is my concern. I appreciate your tips and have a better idea now from reading those sights. This trail is around water, and wind and cold and being isolated are just a couple of  things I need to prepare for. It is only 11 miles of a 50k but it can get pretty darn cold out there, esp without the sun. thanks again Laurie

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My hands thought, have been very sensitive since my winter trip to Fairbanks many years ago. I wear very heavy mittens.

Fairbanks will do that to a person Thanks for the gore-tex comment. Dot

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is there anything to cover the nose and the mouth when running? because the wind sometimes is pretty strong and my nose becomes a piece of ice…

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is there anything to cover the nose and the mouth when running? because the wind sometimes is pretty strong and my nose becomes a piece of ice…

Some people wear face masks aka balaclavas which cover you face except small openings for the eyes, nose and mouth. I prefer a layer of Vaseline on the exposed areas, rather that the mask. — Caveat Lector "the further you go outside, the further you go inside" – B. McKibben Doug Freese

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Right now I am wearing an old Hind bike shirt which probably looks silly, but I go to the sports store and just can’t make myself fork over $125 for a new top.  I am treating myself to good shoes but thought that would be the only "major" expense – I thought running would be (comparatively) inexpensive!  ;-)

I ditto both Doug’s comments about it not needing to be expensive, and there are some nice, pricey things out there. More importantly, if you want to keep it inexpensive, do NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES let a salesman talk you into trying it on I say this as a veteran of three months of trying to replace 5 to 10-yr old gear lost by airlines this summer. I’d been rather skeptical of some of the high tech materials, especially after I had seen some of the early disasters with Gore-Tex in the 70s [which is why I still don't own any Gore-tex (not counting boots that leaked right after warranty expired) even though I know it has changed and have heard very good comments from some locals about it]. However, some salesmen talked me into trying some of the stuff (power dry, Polartec fleece) on, and well, I got hooked – it was just a matter of size after that. I don’t regret spending the money. Some of the gear is nice and functional and far superior to what I used to have. But keep in mind that I’m a field ecologist in Alaska, so I’ll end up using the gear for work as well as winter runs (possibly <0F). You probably won’t have demands like that for your needs. BTW, I did draw the line at the $125 Patagonia Integral jacket But if it had had a hood on it, I might have considered buying it since a good running shell is my weak link right now. Good luck! Dot

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is there anything to cover the nose and the mouth when running? because the wind sometimes is pretty strong and my nose becomes a piece of ice…

Ditto Doug’s comments, again. And if it’s just your nose that gets cold, then vaseline is probably the best bet. I haven’t tried vaseline yet because our winter winds pick up grit from roads and glacial rivers, so I think it would be rather gritty for here. That said, coming back from a 55 minute 11F calm wind run last night, I was thinking that vaseline on cheeks might be nice since it was too warm to pull anything over head. If it’s more than just nose, then read on. Over the years, I’ve played around with balaclavas (large opening for eyes, nose, and mouth if you pull it down enough), face mask (generally, more complete covering with smaller, separate holes for eyes, nose, mouth), and scarf. Cold (subzero), dry air tends to give me a scratchy feeling on back of throat, so in the coldest temperatures, I like to "recycle" the moisture by covering my mouth with something also – this also recycles heat too, whether you want it or not. I tend to be claustrophobic so couldn’t stand most face masks, and the scarf allowed major flexibility in ventilation. The knot weaves worked well in cold weather, but not windy (not too much of an issue since when it gets windy, the temperatures warm up – usually). However, I recently found a windstopper "face mask" although it is more like a balaclava with a mouth opening. That one doesn’t give me claustrophia (although I did get it a little large), and it stops wind, at least in the breezes we’ve had so far. I think I may get to test it in one of our Matanuska winds this evening (45-60mph winds forecast), but temperatures may get above freezing [and possible rain ]so it won’t be a real good test. In the stores, I also noticed some other hybrids that you could wear as a balaclava, neck gaitor, or whatever, depending upon how you put it on. Good luck! Dot

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about 20mph winds (apparently the winds peaked while I was at lap swim so I missed the best time), temps near 30F with something hard coming out of the sky – it wasn’t quite freezing rain, but it sure wasn’t soft, flaky snow. My shell was encased in ice when I got home. At any rate, the face mask worked great, beyond my expectations – it was like a soft helmet against this pelting ice. I started and ended with just a hat for comparison. The windstopper material really does stop wind reasonably well, but depending upon where you live and how much protection you need, it is probably overkill. In most cases, vaseline would probably do fine. I couldn’t find any at home to test. good luck! Dot PS. oh yeah, I was warm and dry inside, including warm feet. I think I’m getting these new layers worked out

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is there anything to cover the nose and the mouth when running? because the wind sometimes is pretty strong and my nose becomes a piece of ice… Ditto Doug’s comments, again. And if it’s just your nose that gets cold, then vaseline is probably the best bet. I haven’t tried vaseline yet

yeah, I’ll try that. mouth), and scarf. Cold (subzero), dry air tends to give me a scratchy feeling on back of throat, so in the coldest temperatures, I like to

yeah, I forgot about this thing: when it’s pretty cold and I breath through my mouth, I get a sore throat (just came back from london where there’s constant, chilled wind and a friggin’ cold temperature and my throat was something unbelievable, I couldn’t even swallow properly for at least four days). Like a friend of mine did before, you suggest covering the mouth… I suppose with one of those white smog mask cyclist always wear? I thought that "recycling" the carbon dioxide that we exhale was not a good thing, especially while running…

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Like a friend of mine did before, you suggest covering the mouth… I suppose with one of those white smog mask cyclist always wear? I thought that "recycling" the carbon dioxide that we exhale was not a good thing, especially while running…

Not sure I’ve seen those white smog masks. But balaclavas / face masks that I’ve seen are used frequently by snow machiners as well as skiiers and other outdoor recreationists – or even just use a scarf. I don’t worry about the little bit of CO2 that’s being recycled with the moisture – there’s too much fresh air coming in also (at least the way I do it), but it does get warmed / moisturized or whatever. It’s something you’ll need to play around with to suit your conditions. Keep in mind that a balaclava or something like that will also reduce heat from escaping from head, neck, and ears – I think this is where something like 40% of body heat is lost. If you’re trying to keep warm the balaclava is a good solution; but if you are trying to vent heat but keep face from freezing, then the vaseline may be a better solution, except that you need to think about it ahead of time. Good luck! Dot

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Some people wear face masks aka balaclavas which cover you face except small openings for the eyes, nose and mouth.

But it