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1. Anyone here ever run on a treadmill carrying a CamelBack? Or would that just look too silly?
I don’t do treadmills voluntarily, but if I did I certainly wouldn’t care how I look. I think a CamelBak would be just fine on a treadmill. 2. What are these "gels" that I keep reading about?
They are complex carbohydrates in the form of a gooey substance that’s easy to consume and tolerate while running. You’ll find them in just about any any running or serious cycling shop. They come in individual servings in foil packs, and some brands (Gu, for example) come in larger sizes that you can put in a gel flask (also available at your local running shop). They generally contain 100 calories per serving, and "they" say you should consume them every 30-45 minutes. I take them every 30 minutes, but only on runs that exceed an hour and a half or so. — Robert
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How do you carry drinking water on long training runs? taz.
I don’t carry water for runs less than 90 minutes. I used to have a fanny pack that I could put a water bottle into horizontally, but I had numerous accidents with not closing the top properly, and got tired of having sports drinks down my back. Now I use a running belt/pack thing, which I got in a general sporting goods store while on vacation in Sarasota. It bugged me initially, and bounced a bit. Now I just tighten it up a lot, and don’t even notice it. I run my long runs at conversational pace, and I don’t have any hard runs that last 90 minutes. I re-use any old sports beverage bottle – about 700 – 800 ml. A friend of mine just bought a Nike water belt, which has a very wide panel at the back. He likes it. And he’s thrown away three different gel bottle/belt combos during races (an expensive technique…). Try belts on in a store, with a real full bottle for weight, and try adjusting to ensure you don’t get bounce. I also like the little side pockets on mine – enough for 4 gels, a quarter (in case I have to call home to get picked up), a $20 dollar bill (in case I need to bail and catch a cab), and a credit card (who knows why). Good Luck! d
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How do you carry drinking water on long training runs? taz.
In my hand, in a bottle. I can’t run with any sort of belt/camelbak device. It sucks enough to have to carry a bottle, but obviously hydration is important on the long runs! — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –
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How do you carry drinking water on long training runs? taz. In my hand, in a bottle. I can’t run with any sort of belt/camelbak device. It sucks enough to have to carry a bottle, but obviously hydration is important on the long runs! – David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." Cheers David. How much do you drink on a run? taz.
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Cheers David. How much do you drink on a run? taz.
Well, unless it is REALLY hot/humid, I don’t bother with any liquids up to about 15km – i.e., somewhere in the 1 hour range, give or take a few minutes. Anything longer than that, and I need to carry something. If it’s a 16 – 22km run, I will try to run by a store late in the run to buy a water, rather than carry something I won’t touch for the first hour. Anything over that – i.e., 1.5 hours or more, calls for more than water in my case, and I need to take my own sports drink with me, or pick it up like I did last night. Unfortunately I cannot just run in a store and buy gatorade or allsport or the like, as glucose/fructose just gives me a nasty sugar spike followed by a low. I could do without the vegetable oil, too! — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –
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In my CamelBak Flashflo. It holds 45 oz., which is enough for all but the longest runs for me. It’s also nice because, with the drinking tube, there’s no need to tilt my head back while drinking (which tends to hurt my neck), so I can drink comfortably on the run. I also use it to hang a gel flask, my GPS and my cell phone. 
< Speaking of which, a couple of newbie questions: 1. Anyone here ever run on a treadmill carrying a CamelBack? Or would that just look too silly? 2. What are these "gels" that I keep reading about? Thanks.
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How do you carry drinking water on long training runs? taz.
In my CamelBak Flashflo. It holds 45 oz., which is enough for all but the longest runs for me. It’s also nice because, with the drinking tube, there’s no need to tilt my head back while drinking (which tends to hurt my neck), so I can drink comfortably on the run. I also use it to hang a gel flask, my GPS and my cell phone. — Robert — Robert Stevahn | "The power of accurate obervation [this space for rent] | have not got it." — G B Shaw
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I arrange my long runs to have water stops at certain points. I hate carrying water, as no matter how you arrange it, it is a pain in the butt. I managed to run an 18 miler yesterday and fit water stops in at several places along the way, you just have to be creative. For example: 6 mile: Water stop at a park that I was running by. 9 mile: Water/Juice stop at my church which I have a key to. (it was 6 AM) 13 mile: Water stop at tennis courts I was running by. 16 mile: Water stop at my house 18 mile: finished at my house. Worked out fairly well, of course it was fairly cool that early in the morning and not much sun…
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I’m not sure what the proper terminology is, but I use a belt/fanny pack sort of thing. It has two pouches for water bottles, one of which I use for water, and the other for a sports drink. It also has a pouch in which I put my keys, identification, snacks (ie. trail mix), a whistle, cotton balls (in case of drawing blood), a knife, and matches. When I first started using it, it bounced around a lot, but now I hike it up high on my stomach (close to my sternum) and keep it very tight. It looks ridiculous, but who’s going to notice up on the mountain? The largest problem I’ve had with it is that the water bottles that fit it are the same size as the biking water bottles, and I often run out and have to turn around early. I drink an incredibly large amount of water though so were I to be a little more moderate with my drinking (hehe…) I may not have that problem. Sean Chester Vancouver Island, Canada – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How do you carry drinking water on long training runs? taz.
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Only on the long runs, I wear a small waist-pack in front, and keep a half-liter bottle of water sideways in the large zipper pocket. Since there are occasional water fountains along my route, I have the chance during REALLY long runs to refill the bottle as needed. I am, however, considering switching to a back-loaded hydration pack later in the year. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How do you carry drinking water on long training runs? taz.
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How do you carry drinking water on long training runs? taz.
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Unusual as it may seem, we found a trick to be most helpful during my days with soccer teams. Take a small plastic bag, say a sandwich bag, and fill it with water. Twist and tie the top off so it is secure. Make several, small bags and place them into a fanny pack. When you require water, simply open a hole with your teeth in the bag — takes a try or two to get perfect — and retrieve the water. When you’re finished, throw the bag away.
Don’t, put it back in your fanny pack instead. Dick Dawson New York
Selim
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Unusual as it may seem, we found a trick to be most helpful during my days with soccer teams. Take a small plastic bag, say a sandwich bag, and fill it with water. Twist and tie the top off so it is secure. Make several, small bags and place them into a fanny pack. When you require water, simply open a hole with your teeth in the bag — takes a try or two to get perfect — and retrieve the water. When you’re finished, throw the bag away. We always found that th bags don’t cost anything in terms of weight, they can be cooled independantly, and in a fanny pack tend to conform to te shape of the person, which cuts down on the ‘jiggle factor.’ I used this on several significant (for me) runs with a great deal of success after trying carrying bottles of all shapes and sizes. Dick Dawson New York
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Technically you can get too much water which can result in a condition known as hyponatremia where your sodium levels in the body are diluted to dangerous levels. This often happens in ultramarathons and events like the Ironman if one does not take precautions during the activity to get electrolyte bakance maintained. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve read a guideline to drink 8 oz. every 15 minutes. That’s about what I average and I run in Kentucky in farm country, i.e. no shade. I seem to do fine. It seems like you could cut back a little. You can never get too much water. That one has to urinate every hour is a good sign that the body is hydrated. It is better to drink too much water than not enough. Experience comes from nine years in the Marines and running in West Central Texas during the summer.
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Last year while training for a marathon I got very sick after a long run (18) which was due to not drinking enough water. This year I am drinking about 24oz ( 1 water bottle) every 6 miles and have not gotten sick but I have to urinate every hour. Am I drinking too much? I am afraid to cut too far back but I dont want to make a pit stop every hour. What do you think? Rich Chicago IL
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Last year while training for a marathon I got very sick after a long run (18) which was due to not drinking enough water. This year I am drinking about 24oz ( 1 water bottle) every 6 miles and have not gotten sick but I have to urinate every hour. Am I drinking too much? I am afraid to cut too far back but I dont want to make a pit stop every hour.
Are you drinking all 24 oz at once? If so, that could be the reason you have to urinate. Your body can’t process this much fluid at one time, so the extra ends up as waste. When I figure out how much fluid to drink I go by time rather than distance. 12 oz every 20 minutes usually does the job. I never have to "go," even on 3 hour runs. -Phil
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Thanks for the info–no i drink every mile and after 6 will have drank 24 oz Rich Chicago IL
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Last year while training for a marathon I got very sick after a long run (18) which was due to not drinking enough water. This year I am drinking about 24oz ( 1 water bottle) every 6 miles and have not gotten sick but I have to urinate every hour. Am I drinking too much? I am afraid to cut too far back but I dont want to make a pit stop every hour. What do you think? Rich Chicago IL
I’ve read a guideline to drink 8 oz. every 15 minutes. That’s about what I average and I run in Kentucky in farm country, i.e. no shade. I seem to do fine. It seems like you could cut back a little.
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I’ve read a guideline to drink 8 oz. every 15 minutes. That’s about what I average and I run in Kentucky in farm country, i.e. no shade. I seem to do fine. It seems like you could cut back a little.
You can never get too much water. That one has to urinate every hour is a good sign that the body is hydrated. It is better to drink too much water than not enough. Experience comes from nine years in the Marines and running in West Central Texas during the summer.
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Thanks for the info–no i drink every mile and after 6 will have drank 24 oz
I agree with Scott on this one <<You can never get too much water You may want to consider what you are drinking before your run. I make sure to get plenty of fluid the day before a long run. 1 1/2 hours before a long run I’ll have something to drink, then 5 minutes before I start the run I’ll have about 12 oz of fluid. This gives my body a chance to eliminate any extra fluid and tops off my fluid reserves before I head out the door. Also, try to avoid too much caffeine before your run. It could cause fluid to fill your bladder too quickly. -Phil
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| | Use a single water bottle carrier. (uses standard cycling water bottle) | I got one from performance Bicycle Shop, 1-800-PBS-BIKE, for $12.95. It | clips around your waste and isn’t too annoying, except for the constant | sloshing noise. | Some cyclists also use a device called, I believe, the Camelback. It’s a long nylon bag with shoulder straps that contains a plastic bladder which you fill with water. A "water backpack", if you will. A tube comes out the bottom of the bladder and goes over your shoulder for your drinking pleasure. Cost: about $40. I checked into it, because I thought it would be a lot more convenient and comfortable than a water bottle bouncing on my hip, but the price deterred me. It’s a lot cheaper to drive around the course in a car and stash water bottles in the ditch every few miles. Besides, real runners don’t carry their water; only joggers do. -carey …!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!tivoli!carey
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Robert W. Brand writes: What does anyone do to carry water and/or have water available for long and/or hot day training runs?
When I started doing runs longer than 6 miles, I got a water bottle belt pack (about $14 at Performance). It holds one bike water bottle and has a small zipper pocket which can hold a key and/or money. Now my roommate doesn’t lock me out when I run, and I feel comfortable running long distances without fear of bonking. The only disadvantage is that you’re carrying a relatively heavy water bottle around your waist. Even if the belt strap is adjusted properly, it tends to bounce up and down while running, and your stomach gets sprinkled with a bit of water unless your bottle seals very well. It took some getting used to at first, but I’m very glad I have it now. Vernon Schabert
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Question: What does anyone do to carry water and/or have water available for long and/or hot day training runs? — Bob Brand Motorola International Cellular
Use a single water bottle carrier. (uses standard cycling water bottle) I got one from performance Bicycle Shop, 1-800-PBS-BIKE, for $12.95. It clips around your waste and isn’t too annoying, except for the constant sloshing noise. Dan Naze
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a small zipper pocket which can hold a key and/or money. Now my roommate doesn’t lock me out when I run, and I feel comfortable running long distances without fear of bonking.
******* You bonk while you run !!! 
Judge Raz. Trinity College | o-o | Now can’t have none of that Dublin | ^ | Tell her whatta say Mace Ireland | `-’ | Say no go — De La Soul
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The only disadvantage is that you’re carrying a relatively heavy water bottle around your waist. Even if the belt strap is adjusted properly, it tends to bounce up and down while running, and your stomach gets sprinkled with a bit of water unless your bottle seals very well.
I had the same type of problem until I started wearing the belt so that the bottle was on my hip. This not only (virtually) eliminated the bouncing, but also the "sloshing" sound as well. I just wore it on a marathon on Sunday and had no problems whatsoever (the only water I spilled was from refilling the bottle at water stops)…
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there are belts made especially for carrying water while you run. pick up a copy of ultrarunning magazine. there are several sources from which to order. generally these work better than the belts made for bicyclists. they have wider belts and you can carry up to three bottles without much of a problem. dave frame
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What does anyone do to carry water and/or have water available for long and/or hot day training runs? — Bob Brand Motorola International Cellular
In the Road Runners catalog, they sell a water pack that you strap to your back with a tube that runs from the pack to the front (I think you have to constantly hold the tube in your mouth.) The pack runs the length of your back. They also sell a variety of other water bottle contraptions, from bottle carrier belts to soft water "bottles." I personally just carry a small squirt bottle with me; but then I don’t run very far (6 – 7 miles at most.) I don’t have the Road Runners address with me, but if you want it, you can email me and I’ll send it to you. — — the electron surfer Ruby Pan-Ratzlaff Dell Computer Corp 9505 Arboretum Blvd
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(Robert W. Brand) writes: Question: What does anyone do to carry water and/or have water available for long and/or hot day training runs?
Most of the people I run with prefer to carry a bottle in their hands. Our local Fleet Feet running shoe store has straps which attach to regular bicycle water bottles. When the strap is tight you don’t even have to grip the bottle. I thought it would be hard to get used to, but it wasn’t – at least for me. I use it in races also (8K to the "M" race.) It works better for me to be able to sip regularly rather than deal with cups at water stops. I have one of the real wide belts someone mentioned. Mine holds two bottles and is quite stable. I used it during Marathon training when I couldn’t get refills very often. — Gary G. Gallaher, 2600 Camino Ramon, Room 4N400P, San Ramon, CA, 94583
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What does anyone do to carry water and/or have water available for long and/or hot day training runs?
I carry water in an old plastic syrup bottle. They have a rather narrow neck to make them easy to hold and come in different sizes for runs of varying lengths. And if you buy the right brand of syrup, they even have a handle! Disadvantages: 1. Something else to carry. 2. Some have extra plastic in the seams that needs to be trimmed so it doesn’t rub your hands. — John — John Walker Metaphor Computer Systems
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The only disadvantage is that you’re carrying a relatively heavy water bottle around your waist. Even if the belt strap is adjusted properly, it tends to bounce up and down while running, and your stomach gets sprinkled with a bit of water unless your bottle seals very well. It took some getting used to at first, but I’m very glad I have it now.
Try wearing it with the bottle in the middle of your back. It’s more stable there and doesn’t interfere with your running. Just pull the belt around to get the bottle in front when you want a drink. Kathy Harris Hewlett Packard Ft. Collins, Co. 80526
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What does anyone do to carry water and/or have water available for long and/or hot day training runs?
I have tried three methods: carrying one or two bottles in my hands, water belt, and an Ultimate bottle carrier. Two bottles: carrying one bottle actually throws off your stride. Although you can do it, why train your body to do something you won’t need in a race? Two bottles was ok, but it led to early upper body fatigue. Water belt: this was a gift and it really didn’t work out that well. It’s simply a belt with a reservoir and a hose. You obtain liquid by sucking on the hose. This is great if you want to go anaerobic. Ultimate ™ bottle carrier: basically a fanny pack-style bottle carrier, available for 1-4 standard biking water bottles. This is the best that I’ve found. My carrier holds one bottle, so I end up looping back to the car every 5-8 miles. You can adjust it so it doesn’t flop around. Mike Gilson