Top 10 Reasons Curs and Runners Cannot/Should Not Mix.

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If you’re walking through the woods and an animal runs at you….it is a good idea to take it serious….when I’m running and a dog on a chain in the hand of a walker strains to get at me…why should I not take that serious…? In a few years it will have to be that dogs will not be allowed to walk through neighborhoods… At the rate some neighborhoods are going…its like planet of the apes….only the dogs are taking over…..

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My kill file is growing! But certain names keep popping up anyway because folks are responding to them.

Denny, yes I can see where that could be a problem. I guess I just can’t believe people get so upset over such small stuff in life. If I start a thread about "Running with Dogs who have bad breath" and someone knew they didn’t care for that thread, why they then wouldn’t just mark it read or delete it. Or on AOL (and I’m sure the other servers) the name is the first thing that pops up on the post/letter. You can then know this persons credibility and knowledge and know whether to proceed on reading, which may upset you. I know it can be upsetting, hell I hate to see a lot of this stuff on here. I hate to see people who play medical doctors or LSD coachs who have no knowledge and experience, but I guess it’s something that’s just going to happen and we’ll have to live with, live with those evil creatine, HRM, VO2Max posts whether we like em or not. :) David "IndyRunr" Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me. ;-)

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Yeah, that’s it…just like the planet of the apes. So dogs are all working together to overcome the world and soon we will be beaten into submission by miniature poodles and pugs. I guess that talking pug on Men In Black was just a portent of the future? I guess I’ll have to separate my three dogs so that they don’t have the opportunity to discuss my demise when I’m not around… Of course, dogs don’t have thumbs and those crazy apes did, so how will they arm themselves?? Guns with triggers won’t work. Sure, biting is possible, but they need more. Projectile peeing? Sorry, I just can’t buy the dogs taking over the world scenario, as real as it may be to you… Heather

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n by miniature poodles and pugs. I guess that talking pug on Men In Black was just a portent of the future?

Ha! I love that dog’s attitude …. "you dont like my disguise? Well, you can kiss my furry bXXX!" My problem with dogs on trails is that they sometimes will dart across the trail at the most inopportune time thereby stretching the chain/leash across your path. You just have to be vigilant when passing someone with a dog. Ken

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I’ll repeat it again. If a dog attacks me, I feel obligated to defend myself, either with a well placed kick or a stone to the head of offending pooch. I’ve noticed dog owners come out in force in defense of dogs. I’m a dog owner and I say if my dog was running loose (not gonna happen, responsibility is the key word folks) and attacked somebody, I would expect them to boot my dog, or do whatever necessary to defend themselves. Dogs are a pain in the ass most of the time when I’m running, I don’t like them much. My Dad is a dog lover, I prefer cats. And I’m really sick of seeing people defend some animals right to maim you. If it comes down to me or the dog, kiss your doggie goodbye because I will defend myself. Dan — danshea

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I cant believe all these people have trouble with dogs, usually when I see one I talk in a high pitch voice(nicely) and stop and pet the dog. It’s usually the idiots that act scared and yell at the dog that get bit. I’ve seen dogs come charging at me with their tail wagging at warp speed only wanting to be petted. I have been bit while cycling before, I stooped and told the owners, they were very apologetic and showed me it’s rabies papers. Just a little puncture wound, they paid for the tetness shot. The one time in 13 years of exercising I have been bitten. Either you people are very unlucky or you have irresponsible owners in your neighborhood. Not sure this had much to do with anything but I feel better. Happy running

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What a lovely sweeping generalization: labelling people as "idiots" because they had the misfortune to have been bitten. The impression I get from the dog-bitten ranks of r.r is that the dog either came out of nowhere or a seemingly placid dog suddenly launched into an attack. I’ve never been bitten by a dog, but my husband’s been bitten twice–once out in the country and once here in town by a leashed dog … being held by the owner! Count your blessings that you’ve mostly met friendly dogs and responsible owners. regards, Julia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I cant believe all these people have trouble with dogs, usually when I see one I talk in a high pitch voice(nicely) and stop and pet the dog. It’s usually the idiots that act scared and yell at the dog that get bit. I’ve seen dogs come charging at me with their tail wagging at warp speed only wanting to be petted. I have been bit while cycling before, I stooped and told the owners, they were very apologetic and showed me it’s rabies papers. Just a little puncture wound, they paid for the tetness shot. The one time in 13 years of exercising I have been bitten. Either you people are very unlucky or you have irresponsible owners in your neighborhood. Not sure this had much to do with anything but I feel better. Happy running

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u forgot the dude who said that the way to deal with a dog which jumped on you was to grab his forelegs, then stretch them in opposite directions so the poor puppy’s chest would spill all over the tarmac/pavement/trail/sofa. sick, sick, sick. I was just offering a last resort self-defence solution: I would not hesitate to use it. Just yesterday a dog came running at me; I shouted at him "no, get back!", and he ran away whimpering. I do not see why, however, if he had attacked me (and jumping on me would count as an attack, I’m not gonna wait around to see if he bites), I should not defend myself. The sick person is the one who imagines the results and graphically describes them, but it was you who did that, not me.

when i wrote sick sick sick i was referring to the health of the resultant de-chested canine. well in the process i guess i have also redefined the phrase "sick puppy" eg. now the phrase "ted bundy was one sick puppy" may mean other things.

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8. Dog-foam (saliva) is known to spread rabies and leprosy.

Rabies, of course, we have covered. Leprosy is not a problem in dogs. In fact, a difficult reasearch problem has been to develop an animal "model" for leprosy, i.e., find an animal (other than humans) in which the disease can be introduced and experimental therapies tested. Well, there is only one model organism at this point, and that is the armadillo. So, if you are really worried about catching leprosy while running, Abhay, just avoid those runners you see taking their pet armadillos out for a trot. Owen McCall

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My kill file is growing! But certain names keep popping up anyway because folks are responding to them. Now, if those peeps don’t get the desired feedback, they tend to get frustrsted and either 1) go away or 2) stop trolling. But (sigh), someone will always respond and keep that "Cheshire-Cat-grin on their face(s). Ihave to assume it’s the just part of the natural flow of any newsgroup, and hopefully it will return to its previous informative, interesting and fun self. Heather, I’ve been here for 3 years, no one likes it all, wheter, creatine, HRM, VO2M, ( like me) or nike etc.. But face reality, it’s here to stay wheter anyone likes it or not. You just need to do like me and many others here, if you don’t like a thread or a poster, ignore it/them.

Denny Anderson To ERR is human… to ZIN, divine!

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maddy ,about the one legged runner depriving someone of a place in the field, that is so much crap. if you meet the standards on a certified course you will be accpepted no matter how many runners are allowed in as exceptions. sour grapes for that guy? good running madeline. chad

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On the other hand, in the past two weeks or so on this newsgroup, I have seen the story of a dog being run over and killed, and the child whose pet it was running out of the house sobbing "Oh no". And have read several posts saying what a great thing this was to have happened. I’ve seen a poster whingeing about a one-legged runner getting to run Boston without meeting the time standards and thereby hypothetically depriving said poster of his rightful place in the marathon. And have read all sorts of people agreeing with him. And I’ve read a poster with a fatwah against Nike airily wave away the issue of *his* favourite shoes being made by children, because "that’s the culture over there". I’ve read the local loon describing my going running with my dog as equivalent to galloping around my neighbourhood with a loaded gun.

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and the reason number one (insert fanfare)… 1. 99.9% OF DOGS HAVE HALITOSIS AKA BAD BREATH. ——

Abhay, I think we need to talk about why you are close enough to smell their breath. You’re supposed to be running by, not making Fifi jealous. Bob "thought the responses were enormously funny" Frick

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Ihave to assume it’s the just part of the natural flow of any newsgroup, and hopefully it will return to its previous informative, interesting and fun self.

Heather, I’ve been here for 3 years, no one likes it all, wheter, creatine, HRM, VO2M, ( like me) or nike etc.. But face reality, it’s here to stay wheter anyone likes it or not. You just need to do like me and many others here, if you don’t like a thread or a poster, ignore it/them. It really is pretty simple. We see people bitch and whine here about crap when the simple and smart thing is to do is mark it read, delete it, ignore it and move on to what interests you. It really is soooooooooo simple if you think about it. :) David "IndyRunr" Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me. ;-)

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And then, yesterday, I read someone in the "What affect <sic does running have on you" thread, enthusiastically quoting that self-sanctified saint of smug self-satisfaction, George Sheehan, to the effect that running not only makes him a healthier person it makes him a *good* person. And this pean to narcissism is equally solemnly endorsed in a follow up post.

well that cannot be true, since i run, and i cannot be reasonably classified as a "good person" whatever that means so on this one you and me are in agreement eh maddie?:)) but i think you are very hard on sheehan. he did a lot to popularize SERIOUS running (as opposed to "participatory jogging" the devotees of which turn out for the annual Saint paddy races and then disappear for the year). Sheehan’s was the first running book I read, I was around age 16 or so this was in the early 80s. I have liked his book the most even more than Noakes or Galloway. Sheehan wrote well I thought you Maddie would appreciate that. Abhay "refused to insert stupid insertion" Thatte.

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Geeesh Madeleine, sorry that you find r.r. so upsetting/depressing. Maybe you should give us the MP rules and regulations for everyone to follow and post by. :) That or maybe just not read what you find so upsetting to you. David "IndyRunr" Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me. ;-)

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I must con(cur) with Madeleine. My original post about Abhay’s troll was a frustrated one because it seems like a lot of the posts lately have been drivel. I was annoyed that Abhay had decided to take one of the more ridiculous ones and turn it into troll bait. And yes, Abhay, I was a bit harsh. However, Madeleine pointed out that there have been quite a few really ridiculous, dare I say STUPID posts lately, and that’s disappointing for this newsgroup. I’ve been following it for 4 months now, and delighted in the information I found here, but now it seems like I spend a lot of time wading through pretty silly stuff. I have to assume it’s the just part of the natural flow of any newsgroup, and hopefully it will return to its previous informative, interesting and fun self. Until then, I will try my utmost to be tolerant, and when I can’t be, well… I’ll flap the old jaw. I guess, in this case, Abhay’s troll ended up a good bit differently than expected! Heather

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: This is quality Thatte. Makes a parody of a posting. heavy with irony, gets : a serious reply in response, then (the coup de grace) pretends he was serious : all along. Well, yes. That’s a fair definition of the process of trolling which is, after all, a (weak) form of parody. On the other hand, in the past two weeks or so on this newsgroup, I have seen the story of a dog being run over and killed, and the child whose pet it was running out of the house sobbing "Oh no". And have read several posts saying what a great thing this was to have happened. I’ve seen a poster whingeing about a one-legged runner getting to run Boston without meeting the time standards and thereby hypothetically depriving said poster of his rightful place in the marathon. And have read all sorts of people agreeing with him. And I’ve read a poster with a fatwah against Nike airily wave away the issue of *his* favourite shoes being made by children, because "that’s the culture over there". I’ve read the local loon describing my going running with my dog as equivalent to galloping around my neighbourhood with a loaded gun. And then, yesterday, I read someone in the "What affect <sic does running have on you" thread, enthusiastically quoting that self-sanctified saint of smug self-satisfaction, George Sheehan, to the effect that running not only makes him a healthier person it makes him a *good* person. And this pean to narcissism is equally solemnly endorsed in a follow up post. So perhaps you will understand that my capacity to distinguish parody in rec.running is currently somewhat compromised. Madeleine "time for my favourite .sig again" Page — What happens is that someone acts like an arsehole, gets treated like an arsehole and then says ha ha I was only pretending to be an arsehole. Which pretty much defines them as an arsehole in the first place.

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my post was not intended as a troll. it was serious advice for serious people. now quit foaming at the bit, girl. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Abhay’s posts aren’t even humorous. If you’re going to troll for the sake of trolling, why not do it with some style and intelligence? A few of your trolls have been mildly humorous, but clearly you’ve lost any touch you ever had. Or perhaps it was just luck with your previous posts. Get a life Abhay.

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In article my post was not intended as a troll. it was serious advice for serious people. now quit foaming at the bit, girl. Abhay’s posts aren’t even humorous. If you’re going to troll for the sake of trolling, why not do it with some style and intelligence? A few of your trolls have been mildly humorous, but clearly you’ve lost any touch you ever had. Or perhaps it was just luck with your previous posts. Get a life Abhay.

This is quality Thatte. Makes a parody of a posting. heavy with irony, gets a serious reply in response, then (the coup de grace) pretends he was serious all along. Certainly some of the stuff Abhay posts is contentious (to put it mildly) and often expressed impolitely, but he certainly has an individual style, and it does stop the newsgroup from being overburdened by saccharin. Can I invite the Turtle to look for instance at; 7. Dogs lose hair, which may block gutters.

It worries me more that someone should read that and believe that someone should believe that is a concern, than I would worry someone believes that is a concern (if you see what I mean). Rod. Disclaimer; the opinions expressed above are not necessarily yours.

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Abhay’s posts aren’t even humorous. If you’re going to troll for the sake of trolling, why not do it with some style and intelligence? A few of your trolls have been mildly humorous, but clearly you’ve lost any touch you ever had. Or perhaps it was just luck with your previous posts. Get a life Abhay.

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10. You have not taken the mutt’s permission to come running with you. 9. It takes up too much running space. 8. Dog-foam (saliva) is known to spread rabies and leprosy. 7. Dogs lose hair, which may block gutters. 6. Would YOU like to run barefoot? 5. You cannot train properly with a canine with you (joggers may ignore this reason). 4. Water stations should not be used by non-humans. 3. Dogs are known to crap uncontrollably; if they do this while on a run, are you really going to pick up? 2. No, we DO NOT think open-air doggie sex is appealing. What if Rover and Fifi meet up with each other after a run? and the reason number one (insert fanfare)… 1. 99.9% OF DOGS HAVE HALITOSIS AKA BAD BREATH. —— hope this helps…have you kicked a canine today???

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