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Tiger's Profanity (and I'm leaving on the same train as scott..)
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You criticized Oscar’s spelling, but you don’t like criticism of your mistakes. One rule for you, different rules for others. What on earth makes you think Gore is my "boy" and what does that have to do with golf?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So I made a mistake or two ? So what ? Hey, have you noticed your boy Gore may be in line for a special prosecutor of his own ? LOL! Ken And perhaps you meant "assigned" not "assinged" and "golf" not "gold". (See V Chip post) See? Rules for others but not for you. So, you think it is just fine for profane outburst to get out on live national TV ? Perhaps you meant hypocrisy. Ken Jr." Tiger plays, he profanes, he wins! That’s all! Not quite all. For a large part of the population, he shows his disregard for anyone who is listening that he KNOWS will be offended. He doesn’t care. He doesn’t need to.. read the rest of my original post I think the people critical of that profanity which was overheard: Your opinions are cute, but not quite a solution to the problem. Exactly _what_ is the problem?? That Tiger gets frustrated like every other human being and uses the same language to express it as most others do?? Complete absorption ? Are you saying he forgets that there are mics on and cameras running ? I dont buy that. If you don’t buy that you have no idea of what it’s like to be "in the zone"… Which was my original point! Thanks for confirming it for us! A great many of us have played this game for decades and we do know how terribly frustating it can be. and you’ve never slapped the turf with an iron after a poor shot and used some colourful language? You dont have to scrutinise Tiger closely to see his character flaws. He puts them right out there for every one to see. ( See "he doesnt care " above). Read my original post! He can have all the flaws he wants and display them how he likes as long as he keeps winning majors… Thats why he needs to learn that there are certain types of behavior that are unacceptable to the civilized folks that are watching him. I still don’t think it matters one bit that he profanes after a shot he’s not happy with. He’s not competing in a politeness contest. Only time will tell if equals the feats of Jack Nicklaus. However, his popularity certainly exceeds that of Nicklaus in his heyday, I disagree with that. You are only stating your opinion there. According to what I’ve read, Tiger has brought the game to the attention of more non-golfing young people than ever before. Jack was certainly popular but his audience was restricted to people who already knew about golf. had to listen to the clamour of the crowds at Pebble Beach to see how this man, probably with some help from Nike, has transformed golf as a spectator sport. Ah, yes! The help from Nike. He can shoot at every pin. And I suppose they taught him to putt. You’re missing my point. Tiger is the golfer and Nike are the publicity. He almost certainly could have trsnformed golf as a spectator sport on his own but the Nike publicity has _probably_ helped. If you read my original statement again you’ll see it’s almost identical to this clarification. Given his winning power and his popularity power he is now in a position to do whatever he wants. I hope he turns into a cussin’ profane womanising Rye drinker because even if he does, there’s nothing anybody can do about it. If he does that no one will need to "do anything about it". He will soil his character forever and alienate millions. Character counts. Both bad and good. Like he could give a #$!%& … OOpppps!! :- Look at it another way.. most of Tigers fans are young non-golfing people ( he certainly doesn’t appear to have too many fans here..) Get out and listen to young people talk in public.. Wow!! Tiger talks just like they do only he’s a more polite version of the average profaning teenager… Tiger has helped spread the word that profanity exists, to anyone who doubted it. I know what you mean… My 70 year old mother-in-law had no idea oral sex existed until President Clinton explained it to everybody on global TV… Meanwhile, I see the US release of Ween’s new single has the phrase "jerk-off" scrubbed to "jerk" and you have to live outside of the US to get to hear the artist’s original rendition… Oh Dear!! The people who defend the outburst of unacceptable language of Woods are the ones who apparently have a character problem. Could be.. or the people who are focussing on it are wholesome souls who have trampled underfoot the hairy guy holding a out rock in his hand saying "let he who is without sin cast the first stone…" in their rush to grab the rock and strike out at a young talent who apparently doesn’t fit their stereotypes for whatever reasons.. Been to church lately ? Me neither, but I still know wrong when I here it or see it. I know wrong when I "hear" it _and_ when I sea it… :-) I believe hypocrasy is wrong. Oscar.
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So, you think it is just fine for profane outburst to get out on live national TV ? Perhaps you meant hypocrisy.
Having watched Sex and the City a couple of times, there’s already quite a few "profane" outbursts in US national TV that I can see. To tell you the truth, Ken, I just don’t care. My ears aren’t burning from Tiger, so I don’t see the problem. It’s interesting that both you and Randy are writing letters, yours on behalf of all those others that might be offended (I noted it’s not *you* that’s offended) and Randy’s because he’s sick of explaining away Tiger’s behaviour to others (I noted it’s not *him* that’s offended). If you think they’ll do any good and not just fall into the hands of Tiger’s PR people (or Earl’s, or Nike’s … whatever) to intercept and send you back a nice calculated reply, then write away. However, I’d really prefer to let any offended people (or their parents if they’re kids) to start writing letters for themselves, rather than having a whole lot of moral guardians and their detractors filling up this newsgroup with thousands of words of meaningless drivel. RSG is about as important an avenue of complaint on this issue as a soapbox in the middle of the Sahara desert. Righteous indignation often exceeds the bounds of common sense. I’m going off skiing for five days, hopefully the Tiger-cussing traffic will have subsided by Friday when I get back. Perhaps I’ll book my next ski trip immediately after the Open Championship … I’m sure the custom-made Pitts Tiger Profanity Detector will be ready and armed for that event too. Cheers Colin Wilson Australian handicap: 10.1 RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/wilsonc.htm
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Thanks for correcting my mis-spelling of a simple word. It was the only part of your repost that amounted to anything. Tommy Anderson, Jr. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tiger plays, he profanes, he wins! That’s all! Not quite all. For a large part of the population, he shows his disregard for anyone who is listening that he KNOWS will be offended. He doesn’t care. He doesn’t need to.. read the rest of my original post I think the people critical of that profanity which was overheard: Your opinions are cute, but not quite a solution to the problem. Exactly _what_ is the problem?? That Tiger gets frustrated like every other human being and uses the same language to express it as most others do?? Complete absorption ? Are you saying he forgets that there are mics on and cameras running ? I dont buy that. If you don’t buy that you have no idea of what it’s like to be "in the zone"… Which was my original point! Thanks for confirming it for us! A great many of us have played this game for decades and we do know how terribly frustating it can be. and you’ve never slapped the turf with an iron after a poor shot and used some colourful language? You dont have to scrutinise Tiger closely to see his character flaws. He puts them right out there for every one to see. ( See "he doesnt care " above). Read my original post! He can have all the flaws he wants and display them how he likes as long as he keeps winning majors… Thats why he needs to learn that there are certain types of behavior that are unacceptable to the civilized folks that are watching him. I still don’t think it matters one bit that he profanes after a shot he’s not happy with. He’s not competing in a politeness contest. Only time will tell if equals the feats of Jack Nicklaus. However, his popularity certainly exceeds that of Nicklaus in his heyday, I disagree with that. You are only stating your opinion there. According to what I’ve read, Tiger has brought the game to the attention of more non-golfing young people than ever before. Jack was certainly popular but his audience was restricted to people who already knew about golf. had to listen to the clamour of the crowds at Pebble Beach to see how this man, probably with some help from Nike, has transformed golf as a spectator sport. Ah, yes! The help from Nike. He can shoot at every pin. And I suppose they taught him to putt. You’re missing my point. Tiger is the golfer and Nike are the publicity. He almost certainly could have trsnformed golf as a spectator sport on his own but the Nike publicity has _probably_ helped. If you read my original statement again you’ll see it’s almost identical to this clarification. Given his winning power and his popularity power he is now in a position to do whatever he wants. I hope he turns into a cussin’ profane womanising Rye drinker because even if he does, there’s nothing anybody can do about it. If he does that no one will need to "do anything about it". He will soil his character forever and alienate millions. Character counts. Both bad and good. Like he could give a #$!%& … OOpppps!! :- Look at it another way.. most of Tigers fans are young non-golfing people ( he certainly doesn’t appear to have too many fans here..) Get out and listen to young people talk in public.. Wow!! Tiger talks just like they do only he’s a more polite version of the average profaning teenager… Tiger has helped spread the word that profanity exists, to anyone who doubted it. I know what you mean… My 70 year old mother-in-law had no idea oral sex existed until President Clinton explained it to everybody on global TV… Meanwhile, I see the US release of Ween’s new single has the phrase "jerk-off" scrubbed to "jerk" and you have to live outside of the US to get to hear the artist’s original rendition… Oh Dear!! The people who defend the outburst of unacceptable language of Woods are the ones who apparently have a character problem. Could be.. or the people who are focussing on it are wholesome souls who have trampled underfoot the hairy guy holding a out rock in his hand saying "let he who is without sin cast the first stone…" in their rush to grab the rock and strike out at a young talent who apparently doesn’t fit their stereotypes for whatever reasons.. Been to church lately ? Me neither, but I still know wrong when I here it or see it. I know wrong when I "hear" it _and_ when I sea it… :-) I believe hypocrasy is wrong. Oscar.
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Spot-on post. Of particular note was the following, Most people, even the most tight a$$ed understand that "stuff" happens.
Let’s hear it for all the prejudicial back passages in RSG that provide encouragement to Mr Ken ‘Overly coiled posterior opening of the alimentary canal’ Pitts. Ha ha ha!! Thankyou for reading. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Two points — ONE — He apologized when he found out that it went out over the air. I thought he was quite sincere AND embarrassed. TWO — IMO — It is NOT his fault it went out over the air. After some real doozies in the late 50s and early 60s, Live TV had a 7 second delay till not so long ago. This allowed a person in the control booth to kill the sound — or even the picture — that went out, if nessessary. Not a whole lot seemed to happen, sooo "they," to save money, took it away and what you now get is a whole lot of "profanity" that gets out on the air during *some* live broadcasts from ALL televised sports. Know what, few give a "darn" and they don’t intend to worry about it. Most people, even the most tight a$$ed understand that "stuff" happens. I’ve played big time competitive sports and the intensity that goes along with that makes "cussers" of us all — even — **the** most self righteous, pious and religious prudes can lose themselves and let a foul word or two fly. Woods made a mistake, he apologized, it is not his fault it got out. And yes — when the US Open — or in this case, all time US open records — are on the line, one can forget the live microphones that are open right where you are for *the_split_second* it takes to utter ONE word. Get real — and — get over it. JB
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After Tiger’s outburst on 18 at Pebble one of the announcers (I think it was Johnny Miller but maybe that’s just because I can’t stand the guy) said something along the lines of " I don’t think you would have ever heard Michael Jordan say something like that" I wonder what he thinks MJ was saying as he got hacked going to the hole, his prayers? Why don’t they mike a ref for an entire NBA game? We would all get an education in profanity. I think even Lenny Bruce would be offended.
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Well said JBuck10447 Cyborg
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Two points — ONE — He apologized when he found out that it went out over the air. I thought he was quite sincere AND embarrassed. TWO — IMO — It is NOT his fault it went out over the air. After some real doozies in the late 50s and early 60s, Live TV had a 7 second delay till not so long ago. This allowed a person in the control booth to kill the sound — or even the picture — that went out, if nessessary. Not a whole lot seemed to happen, sooo "they," to save money, took it away and what you now get is a whole lot of "profanity" that gets out on the air during *some* live broadcasts from ALL televised sports. Know what, few give a "darn" and they don’t intend to worry about it. Most people, even the most tight a$$ed understand that "stuff" happens. I’ve played big time competitive sports and the intensity that goes along with that makes "cussers" of us all — even — **the** most self righteous, pious and religious prudes can lose themselves and let a foul word or two fly. Woods made a mistake, he apologized, it is not his fault it got out. And yes — when the US Open — or in this case, all time US open records — are on the line, one can forget the live microphones that are open right where you are for *the_split_second* it takes to utter ONE word. Get real — and — get over it. JB
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or Sierra Hotel India Tango !!
Yeah. Tiger’s outburst on 18 on that early Saturday morning could have been: "Golf Oscar Delta Delta Alpha Mike Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo India November Golf Papa Romeo India Charlie Kilo." Pitts would approve (I’m clear on your final. 73).
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Two points — ONE — He apologized when he found out that it went out over the air. I thought he was quite sincere AND embarrassed. TWO — IMO — It is NOT his fault it went out over the air. After some real doozies in the late 50s and early 60s, Live TV had a 7 second delay till not so long ago. This allowed a person in the control booth to kill the sound — or even the picture — that went out, if nessessary. Not a whole lot seemed to happen, sooo "they," to save money, took it away and what you now get is a whole lot of "profanity" that gets out on the air during *some* live broadcasts from ALL televised sports. Know what, few give a "darn" and they don’t intend to worry about it. Most people, even the most tight a$$ed understand that "stuff" happens. I’ve played big time competitive sports and the intensity that goes along with that makes "cussers" of us all — even — **the** most self righteous, pious and religious prudes can lose themselves and let a foul word or two fly. Woods made a mistake, he apologized, it is not his fault it got out. And yes — when the US Open — or in this case, all time US open records — are on the line, one can forget the live microphones that are open right where you are for *the_split_second* it takes to utter ONE word. Get real — and — get over it. JB
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Tiger Woods seems to always be in the spotlight because the Media puts him there! Is he at fault for the profanity? To some extent, after all he does use the words. However, It is the live broadcasts close enough to Tiger Woods that allows the profanity to be heard! Tiger Woods is who he is, he may be a good person. This remains to be seen. That really isn’t the issue. The vehicle for the profanity is the live broadcast which brings the profanity to be heard, yet the Media will argue they have the right to be there. I feel the Media is responsible and they should take measures such as filters on their mic’s which are close to the players. The argument whether or not profanity is bad is an argument that will always be there, because of the issues of morality and social exceptance and religious beliefs. Since we all live in a diversified society, beliefs will vary. It would be nice if everyone could respect people for their beliefs to a point where society would not have an argument over these issues. Dreaming! I know. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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Maybe the networks need to realize that the chance of this type of an incident occurring is rather high and keep the microphone where they don’t pick up the players comments. They are kind of like the tv maniac with a chain saw, how do you feel.
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You know, if Tiger ever learns how to cuss he really will be the consumate golfer. I watched the 2nd round of the U.S. Open and saw and heard Nicklaus mutter an expletive, however it sounded more like "fik!" than anything else. Maybe Tiger should create a language of his own…perhaps use the phonetic alphabet to assuage his frustration over those rare shitty shots: "Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo!"
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You know, if Tiger ever learns how to cuss he really will be the consumate golfer. I watched the 2nd round of the U.S. Open and saw and heard Nicklaus mutter an expletive, however it sounded more like "fik!" than anything else. Maybe Tiger should create a language of his own…perhaps use the phonetic alphabet to assuage his frustration over those rare shitty shots: "Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo!"
or Sierra Hotel India Tango !!
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For a large part of the population, he shows his disregard for anyone who is listening that he KNOWS will be offended. He doesn’t care.
Maybe you missed it, or maybe you just weren’t paying attention, but the fact is Tiger fully apologized for the outburst. You dont have to scrutinise Tiger closely to see his character flaws. He puts them right out there for every one to see. ( See "he doesnt care " above).
Character flaws?! Compared to most sports and entertainment celebrities, Tiger’s "character flaws" (occasional temper flare-ups and an almost fanatical perfectionism and devotion to success) hardly seem worth criticizing. By the way, do you know anybody without "character flaws"? he needs to learn that there are certain types of behavior that are unacceptable to the civilized folks that are watching him.
Exactly where are these "civilized" folk you’re referring to? In the grandstands at U.S. sporting events? at home watching Howard Stern or World Federation wrestling on TV? I wish I could say that all Americans–including those who attend PGA tournaments–were half as well behaved and dignified as Tiger Woods. — "Strange indeed, and sorrowful, are the streets of the City of Pain." — Rilke.
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Once again we have a few more sanctimonious jokers who never make mistakes in public, and never do anything that they wouldn’t want their kids to do. I don’t know about anybody else, but I make mistakes, and sometimes I make mistakes at inopportune times, like when I’m on film, or when I’m at work, or in front of an audience. You know why I make mistakes, because I’m human. You know why Tiger makes mistakes, and drops an F bomb here and there? Because he’s human. Anyone out there who wants to tell me that they have never made a mistake at an inopportune time, where that mistake would cause them embarrassment, is a fucking liar, excuse my French. I want to know, from all you people who hate Tiger’s cursing, whether you ever make mistakes, and also, do you admit to, and handle your mistakes with the aplomb that Tiger does? Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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Thanks for correcting my mis-spelling of a simple word. It was the only part of your repost that amounted to anything. Tommy Anderson, Jr.
I guess you didn’t like the bit about "let he who is without sin…" There was another parable about a man with a twig in his eye, wasn’t there? Easy to say it amounts to nothing, but I reckon you’re just spouting dogma and have nothing else left to argue with.. Not surprising really… Oscar
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And perhaps you meant "assigned" not "assinged" and "golf" not "gold". (See V Chip post) See? Rules for others but not for you.
I thought "gold broadcast" was a nice Freudian slip though. 
Bruce RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/newmanb.htm http://go.to/bruce_newman
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So I made a mistake or two ? So what ? Hey, have you noticed your boy Gore may be in line for a special prosecutor of his own ? LOL! Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -And perhaps you meant "assigned" not "assinged" and "golf" not "gold". (See V Chip post) See? Rules for others but not for you. So, you think it is just fine for profane outburst to get out on live national TV ? Perhaps you meant hypocrisy. Ken Tiger plays, he profanes, he wins! That’s all! Not quite all. For a large part of the population, he shows his disregard for anyone who is listening that he KNOWS will be offended. He doesn’t care. He doesn’t need to.. read the rest of my original post I think the people critical of that profanity which was overheard: Your opinions are cute, but not quite a solution to the problem. Exactly _what_ is the problem?? That Tiger gets frustrated like every other human being and uses the same language to express it as most others do?? Complete absorption ? Are you saying he forgets that there are mics on and cameras running ? I dont buy that. If you don’t buy that you have no idea of what it’s like to be "in the zone"… Which was my original point! Thanks for confirming it for us! A great many of us have played this game for decades and we do know how terribly frustating it can be. and you’ve never slapped the turf with an iron after a poor shot and used some colourful language? You dont have to scrutinise Tiger closely to see his character flaws. He puts them right out there for every one to see. ( See "he doesnt care " above). Read my original post! He can have all the flaws he wants and display them how he likes as long as he keeps winning majors… Thats why he needs to learn that there are certain types of behavior that are unacceptable to the civilized folks that are watching him. I still don’t think it matters one bit that he profanes after a shot he’s not happy with. He’s not competing in a politeness contest. Only time will tell if equals the feats of Jack Nicklaus. However, his popularity certainly exceeds that of Nicklaus in his heyday, I disagree with that. You are only stating your opinion there. According to what I’ve read, Tiger has brought the game to the attention of more non-golfing young people than ever before. Jack was certainly popular but his audience was restricted to people who already knew about golf. had to listen to the clamour of the crowds at Pebble Beach to see how this man, probably with some help from Nike, has transformed golf as a spectator sport. Ah, yes! The help from Nike. He can shoot at every pin. And I suppose they taught him to putt. You’re missing my point. Tiger is the golfer and Nike are the publicity. He almost certainly could have trsnformed golf as a spectator sport on his own but the Nike publicity has _probably_ helped. If you read my original statement again you’ll see it’s almost identical to this clarification. Given his winning power and his popularity power he is now in a position to do whatever he wants. I hope he turns into a cussin’ profane womanising Rye drinker because even if he does, there’s nothing anybody can do about it. If he does that no one will need to "do anything about it". He will soil his character forever and alienate millions. Character counts. Both bad and good. Like he could give a #$!%& … OOpppps!! :- Look at it another way.. most of Tigers fans are young non-golfing people ( he certainly doesn’t appear to have too many fans here..) Get out and listen to young people talk in public.. Wow!! Tiger talks just like they do only he’s a more polite version of the average profaning teenager… Tiger has helped spread the word that profanity exists, to anyone who doubted it. I know what you mean… My 70 year old mother-in-law had no idea oral sex existed until President Clinton explained it to everybody on global TV… Meanwhile, I see the US release of Ween’s new single has the phrase "jerk-off" scrubbed to "jerk" and you have to live outside of the US to get to hear the artist’s original rendition… Oh Dear!! The people who defend the outburst of unacceptable language of Woods are the ones who apparently have a character problem. Could be.. or the people who are focussing on it are wholesome souls who have trampled underfoot the hairy guy holding a out rock in his hand saying "let he who is without sin cast the first stone…" in their rush to grab the rock and strike out at a young talent who apparently doesn’t fit their stereotypes for whatever reasons.. Been to church lately ? Me neither, but I still know wrong when I here it or see it. I know wrong when I "hear" it _and_ when I sea it… :-) I believe hypocrasy is wrong. Oscar.
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And perhaps you meant "assigned" not "assinged" and "golf" not "gold". (See V Chip post) See? Rules for others but not for you.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, you think it is just fine for profane outburst to get out on live national TV ? Perhaps you meant hypocrisy. Ken Tiger plays, he profanes, he wins! That’s all! Not quite all. For a large part of the population, he shows his disregard for anyone who is listening that he KNOWS will be offended. He doesn’t care. He doesn’t need to.. read the rest of my original post I think the people critical of that profanity which was overheard: Your opinions are cute, but not quite a solution to the problem. Exactly _what_ is the problem?? That Tiger gets frustrated like every other human being and uses the same language to express it as most others do?? Complete absorption ? Are you saying he forgets that there are mics on and cameras running ? I dont buy that. If you don’t buy that you have no idea of what it’s like to be "in the zone"… Which was my original point! Thanks for confirming it for us! A great many of us have played this game for decades and we do know how terribly frustating it can be. and you’ve never slapped the turf with an iron after a poor shot and used some colourful language? You dont have to scrutinise Tiger closely to see his character flaws. He puts them right out there for every one to see. ( See "he doesnt care " above). Read my original post! He can have all the flaws he wants and display them how he likes as long as he keeps winning majors… Thats why he needs to learn that there are certain types of behavior that are unacceptable to the civilized folks that are watching him. I still don’t think it matters one bit that he profanes after a shot he’s not happy with. He’s not competing in a politeness contest. Only time will tell if equals the feats of Jack Nicklaus. However, his popularity certainly exceeds that of Nicklaus in his heyday, I disagree with that. You are only stating your opinion there. According to what I’ve read, Tiger has brought the game to the attention of more non-golfing young people than ever before. Jack was certainly popular but his audience was restricted to people who already knew about golf. had to listen to the clamour of the crowds at Pebble Beach to see how this man, probably with some help from Nike, has transformed golf as a spectator sport. Ah, yes! The help from Nike. He can shoot at every pin. And I suppose they taught him to putt. You’re missing my point. Tiger is the golfer and Nike are the publicity. He almost certainly could have trsnformed golf as a spectator sport on his own but the Nike publicity has _probably_ helped. If you read my original statement again you’ll see it’s almost identical to this clarification. Given his winning power and his popularity power he is now in a position to do whatever he wants. I hope he turns into a cussin’ profane womanising Rye drinker because even if he does, there’s nothing anybody can do about it. If he does that no one will need to "do anything about it". He will soil his character forever and alienate millions. Character counts. Both bad and good. Like he could give a #$!%& … OOpppps!! :- Look at it another way.. most of Tigers fans are young non-golfing people ( he certainly doesn’t appear to have too many fans here..) Get out and listen to young people talk in public.. Wow!! Tiger talks just like they do only he’s a more polite version of the average profaning teenager… Tiger has helped spread the word that profanity exists, to anyone who doubted it. I know what you mean… My 70 year old mother-in-law had no idea oral sex existed until President Clinton explained it to everybody on global TV… Meanwhile, I see the US release of Ween’s new single has the phrase "jerk-off" scrubbed to "jerk" and you have to live outside of the US to get to hear the artist’s original rendition… Oh Dear!! The people who defend the outburst of unacceptable language of Woods are the ones who apparently have a character problem. Could be.. or the people who are focussing on it are wholesome souls who have trampled underfoot the hairy guy holding a out rock in his hand saying "let he who is without sin cast the first stone…" in their rush to grab the rock and strike out at a young talent who apparently doesn’t fit their stereotypes for whatever reasons.. Been to church lately ? Me neither, but I still know wrong when I here it or see it. I know wrong when I "hear" it _and_ when I sea it… :-) I believe hypocrasy is wrong. Oscar.
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So, you think it is just fine for profane outburst to get out on live national TV ? Perhaps you meant hypocrisy. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tiger plays, he profanes, he wins! That’s all! Not quite all. For a large part of the population, he shows his disregard for anyone who is listening that he KNOWS will be offended. He doesn’t care. He doesn’t need to.. read the rest of my original post I think the people critical of that profanity which was overheard: Your opinions are cute, but not quite a solution to the problem. Exactly _what_ is the problem?? That Tiger gets frustrated like every other human being and uses the same language to express it as most others do?? Complete absorption ? Are you saying he forgets that there are mics on and cameras running ? I dont buy that. If you don’t buy that you have no idea of what it’s like to be "in the zone"… Which was my original point! Thanks for confirming it for us! A great many of us have played this game for decades and we do know how terribly frustating it can be. and you’ve never slapped the turf with an iron after a poor shot and used some colourful language? You dont have to scrutinise Tiger closely to see his character flaws. He puts them right out there for every one to see. ( See "he doesnt care " above). Read my original post! He can have all the flaws he wants and display them how he likes as long as he keeps winning majors… Thats why he needs to learn that there are certain types of behavior that are unacceptable to the civilized folks that are watching him. I still don’t think it matters one bit that he profanes after a shot he’s not happy with. He’s not competing in a politeness contest. Only time will tell if equals the feats of Jack Nicklaus. However, his popularity certainly exceeds that of Nicklaus in his heyday, I disagree with that. You are only stating your opinion there. According to what I’ve read, Tiger has brought the game to the attention of more non-golfing young people than ever before. Jack was certainly popular but his audience was restricted to people who already knew about golf. had to listen to the clamour of the crowds at Pebble Beach to see how this man, probably with some help from Nike, has transformed golf as a spectator sport. Ah, yes! The help from Nike. He can shoot at every pin. And I suppose they taught him to putt. You’re missing my point. Tiger is the golfer and Nike are the publicity. He almost certainly could have trsnformed golf as a spectator sport on his own but the Nike publicity has _probably_ helped. If you read my original statement again you’ll see it’s almost identical to this clarification. Given his winning power and his popularity power he is now in a position to do whatever he wants. I hope he turns into a cussin’ profane womanising Rye drinker because even if he does, there’s nothing anybody can do about it. If he does that no one will need to "do anything about it". He will soil his character forever and alienate millions. Character counts. Both bad and good. Like he could give a #$!%& … OOpppps!! :- Look at it another way.. most of Tigers fans are young non-golfing people ( he certainly doesn’t appear to have too many fans here..) Get out and listen to young people talk in public.. Wow!! Tiger talks just like they do only he’s a more polite version of the average profaning teenager… Tiger has helped spread the word that profanity exists, to anyone who doubted it. I know what you mean… My 70 year old mother-in-law had no idea oral sex existed until President Clinton explained it to everybody on global TV… Meanwhile, I see the US release of Ween’s new single has the phrase "jerk-off" scrubbed to "jerk" and you have to live outside of the US to get to hear the artist’s original rendition… Oh Dear!! The people who defend the outburst of unacceptable language of Woods are the ones who apparently have a character problem. Could be.. or the people who are focussing on it are wholesome souls who have trampled underfoot the hairy guy holding a out rock in his hand saying "let he who is without sin cast the first stone…" in their rush to grab the rock and strike out at a young talent who apparently doesn’t fit their stereotypes for whatever reasons.. Been to church lately ? Me neither, but I still know wrong when I here it or see it. I know wrong when I "hear" it _and_ when I sea it… :-) I believe hypocrasy is wrong. Oscar.
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All this crap on this NG about Tiger’s profane outbursts are a waste of time and effort. It is also fatuous.
snippage get a life, prudes! Oscar
O DeG, It reminds me of a little ditty which goes: Great Fleas have Lesser Fleas Upon their backs to bite ‘em And Lesser Fleas still Lesser Fleas And so, ad infinitum. O, Scott, can this train shift quickly into reverse? Maybe if we can piss them off so badly that they chase us down the tracks, then . . . Steve
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Tiger plays, he profanes, he wins! That’s all! Not quite all. For a large part of the population, he shows his disregard for anyone who is listening that he KNOWS will be offended. He doesn’t care.
He doesn’t need to.. read the rest of my original post I think the people critical of that profanity which was overheard: Your opinions are cute, but not quite a solution to the problem.
Exactly _what_ is the problem?? That Tiger gets frustrated like every other human being and uses the same language to express it as most others do?? Complete absorption ? Are you saying he forgets that there are mics on and cameras running ? I dont buy that.
If you don’t buy that you have no idea of what it’s like to be "in the zone"… Which was my original point! Thanks for confirming it for us! A great many of us have played this game for decades and we do know how terribly frustating it can be.
and you’ve never slapped the turf with an iron after a poor shot and used some colourful language? You dont have to scrutinise Tiger closely to see his character flaws. He puts them right out there for every one to see. ( See "he doesnt care " above).
Read my original post! He can have all the flaws he wants and display them how he likes as long as he keeps winning majors… Thats why he needs to learn that there are certain types of behavior that are unacceptable to the civilized folks that are watching him.
I still don’t think it matters one bit that he profanes after a shot he’s not happy with. He’s not competing in a politeness contest. Only time will tell if equals the feats of Jack Nicklaus. However, his popularity certainly exceeds that of Nicklaus in his heyday, I disagree with that. You are only stating your opinion there.
According to what I’ve read, Tiger has brought the game to the attention of more non-golfing young people than ever before. Jack was certainly popular but his audience was restricted to people who already knew about golf. had to listen to the clamour of the crowds at Pebble Beach to see how this man, probably with some help from Nike, has transformed golf as a spectator sport. Ah, yes! The help from Nike. He can shoot at every pin. And I suppose they taught him to putt.
You’re missing my point. Tiger is the golfer and Nike are the publicity. He almost certainly could have trsnformed golf as a spectator sport on his own but the Nike publicity has _probably_ helped. If you read my original statement again you’ll see it’s almost identical to this clarification. Given his winning power and his popularity power he is now in a position to do whatever he wants. I hope he turns into a cussin’ profane womanising Rye drinker because even if he does, there’s nothing anybody can do about it. If he does that no one will need to "do anything about it". He will soil his character forever and alienate millions. Character counts. Both bad and good.
Like he could give a #$!%& … OOpppps!! :- Look at it another way.. most of Tigers fans are young non-golfing people ( he certainly doesn’t appear to have too many fans here..) Get out and listen to young people talk in public.. Wow!! Tiger talks just like they do only he’s a more polite version of the average profaning teenager… Tiger has helped spread the word that profanity exists, to anyone who doubted it.
I know what you mean… My 70 year old mother-in-law had no idea oral sex existed until President Clinton explained it to everybody on global TV… Meanwhile, I see the US release of Ween’s new single has the phrase "jerk-off" scrubbed to "jerk" and you have to live outside of the US to get to hear the artist’s original rendition… Oh Dear!! The people who defend the outburst of unacceptable language of Woods are the ones who apparently have a character problem.
Could be.. or the people who are focussing on it are wholesome souls who have trampled underfoot the hairy guy holding a out rock in his hand saying "let he who is without sin cast the first stone…" in their rush to grab the rock and strike out at a young talent who apparently doesn’t fit their stereotypes for whatever reasons.. Been to church lately ? Me neither, but I still know wrong when I here it or see it.
I know wrong when I "hear" it _and_ when I sea it… :-) I believe hypocrasy is wrong. Oscar.
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All this crap on this NG about Tiger’s profane outbursts are a waste of time and effort. It is also fatuous.
Its a matter of making a point about improper behavior of any golfer that is out of line, particularly when he knows the mic’s are on. It is not about me uttering a profanity within the confines of a handful of golfers that I know and not with a mic that will transmit it to the world. Tiger plays, he profanes, he wins! That’s all!
Not quite all. For a large part of the population, he shows his disregard for anyone who is listening that he KNOWS will be offended. He doesn’t care. I think the people critical of that profanity which was overheard:
Your opinions are cute, but not quite a solution to the problem. 1. Should get Tom Watson to give Tiger elocution lessons in exchange for putting lessons. Alternatively, get Tom to Write another self righteous letter to the organisers and we can have a Tiger-%$#%$-Gate instead of Bikini-Wax-Gate and Tiger can join Gary McCord on the bench. Tom might also make a few more of those three footers… 2. Obviously never swear themselves. Anybody who has never uttered profanity in a moment of complete absorption has every right to be critical of Tiger. The rest do not (err.. that leaves Tom Watson, I guess, but I bet he’s let _something_ slip if he ever tried bikini wax for real
Complete absorption ? Are you saying he forgets that there are mics on and cameras running ? I dont buy that. 3. have no appreciation for the degree of mental involvement and exclusion of external influences that Tiger is able to maintain during one of his better rounds. He probably doesn’t even remember what happened or was said (and I’ll bet Fluff never minded pulling planted irons out of the turf as long as he got a winner’s percentage).
A great many of us have played this game for decades and we do know how terribly frustating it can be. 4. Have resorted to tall poppy syndrome. As this young man moves on from strength to strength people are now scrutinising Tiger ever more closely to find flaws in his character, his behaviour, his looks (as posted here), his professional relationships with his sponsors, and now even his language. That’s pretty rich coming from people who live in a country where the president doesn’t know the difference between a bonk and a blow job and who had to go on national TV to explain to people who elected him what _really_ happened. What a laugh.. you folks are living in lah-lah land…
You dont have to scrutinise Tiger closely to see his character flaws. He puts them right out there for every one to see. ( See "he doesnt care " above). Tiger is starting to emerge as one of the greatest forces ever in golf.
Thats why he needs to learn that there are certain types of behavior that are unacceptable to the civilized folks that are watching him. Only time will tell if equals the feats of Jack Nicklaus. However, his popularity certainly exceeds that of Nicklaus in his heyday,
I disagree with that. You are only stating your opinion there. had to listen to the clamour of the crowds at Pebble Beach to see how this man, probably with some help from Nike, has transformed golf as a spectator sport.
Ah, yes! The help from Nike. He can shoot at every pin. And I suppose they taught him to putt. Given his winning power and his popularity power he is now in a position to do whatever he wants. I hope he turns into a cussin’ profane womanising Rye drinker because even if he does, there’s nothing anybody
can do about it. If he does that no one will need to "do anything about it". He will soil his character forever and alienate millions. Character counts. Both bad and good. And just maybe it’ll make a few people realise that profanity _does_ exist (even in the dictionary),
Tiger has helped spread the word that profanity exists, to anyone who doubted it. that Presidents are up to hanky panky with the interns in their oval offices, and that Tiger, for all his prowess, is still human and still a young man. get a life, prudes!
We have a life. And most of the time our language doesnt smell up the space we are occupying. The people who defend the outburst of unacceptable language of Woods are the ones who apparently have a character problem. Been to church lately ? Me neither, but I still know wrong when I here it or see it. Tommy Anderson, Jr. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oscar
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All this crap on this NG about Tiger’s profane outbursts are a waste of time and effort. It is also fatuous. Tiger plays, he profanes, he wins! That’s all! I think the people critical of that profanity which was overheard: 1. Should get Tom Watson to give Tiger elocution lessons in exchange for putting lessons. Alternatively, get Tom to Write another self righteous letter to the organisers and we can have a Tiger-%$#%$-Gate instead of Bikini-Wax-Gate and Tiger can join Gary McCord on the bench. Tom might also make a few more of those three footers… 2. Obviously never swear themselves. Anybody who has never uttered profanity in a moment of complete absorption has every right to be critical of Tiger. The rest do not (err.. that leaves Tom Watson, I guess, but I bet he’s let _something_ slip if he ever tried bikini wax for real :-) 3. have no appreciation for the degree of mental involvement and exclusion of external influences that Tiger is able to maintain during one of his better rounds. He probably doesn’t even remember what happened or was said (and I’ll bet Fluff never minded pulling planted irons out of the turf as long as he got a winner’s percentage). 4. Have resorted to tall poppy syndrome. As this young man moves on from strength to strength people are now scrutinising Tiger ever more closely to find flaws in his character, his behaviour, his looks (as posted here), his professional relationships with his sponsors, and now even his language. That’s pretty rich coming from people who live in a country where the president doesn’t know the difference between a bonk and a blow job and who had to go on national TV to explain to people who elected him what _really_ happened. What a laugh.. you folks are living in lah-lah land… Tiger is starting to emerge as one of the greatest forces ever in golf. Only time will tell if equals the feats of Jack Nicklaus. However, his popularity certainly exceeds that of Nicklaus in his heyday, and you only had to listen to the clamour of the crowds at Pebble Beach to see how this man, probably with some help from Nike, has transformed golf as a spectator sport. Given his winning power and his popularity power he is now in a position to do whatever he wants. I hope he turns into a cussin’ profane womanising Rye drinker because even if he does, as long as keeps winning there’s nothing anybody can do about it. And just maybe it’ll make a few people realise that profanity _does_ exist (even in the dictionary), that Presidents are up to hanky panky with the interns in their oval offices, and that Tiger, for all his prowess, is still human and still a young man. get a life, prudes! Oscar