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Yea, you are right about the lack of water proofing, but they do breath well.  To me that is more important.

I don’t know about you guys but I don’t want a trail shoe to be waterproof. When you make them waterproof, unless you buying Gortex shoes, they do not breathe. Diminishing the ability of the shoe to breath will guarantee your feet to always be wet and sloppy in the inside. It’s like running in rubber boots.  And if you happen to step in some deep water it has no way way to escape and you will experience prune feet and worse. Some trail runners got caught with non breathing shoes and quickly took a knife or drill to punch some holes to allow some fluid exit and air input. — Caveat Lector "the further you go outside, the further you go inside" – B. McKibben Doug Freese

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I don’t know about you guys but I don’t want a trail shoe to be waterproof.

Stop wetting your shorts as you run, and you won’t. Bill R. @@

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Firstly, a correction to my original post .   The 830’s are – as Joe Positive noted – silver, not off white as I first said.   I have trouble with colours.

<snippety snip Did you get good,professional advice when you went to R&B? I’m a bit hacked off with Greaves after my last experience there & the Saucony shoes I ended up with. I think I may pay a trip to R&B next time I’m in Edinburgh.

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Did you get good,professional advice when you went to R&B?

I never ask for advice so I really can’t offer informed comment, although my wife does and they’ve always fitted her well.   I know what I need in a shoe and am quite capable of examining it, trying it on, bouncing around, and making my own guess as to whether I’ll be OK.   I’m usually correct, although there have been some disasters…

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I’m a bit hacked off

Leave your sex life out of this… Bill R. @@

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Firstly, a correction to my original post .   The 830’s are – as Joe Positive noted – silver, not off white as I first said.   I have trouble with colours. <snippety snip Did you get good,professional advice when you went to R&B?

I don’t think they do colour analysis. I’m a bit hacked off with Greaves after my last experience there & the Saucony shoes I ended up with.

Funny that.  They sold me a pair of Saucony shoes too.  Can’t say that there’s anythng wrong with them mind but I wasn’t too impressed with range offered (or the lack of a treadmill). I think I may pay a trip to R&B next time I’m in Edinburgh.

Ditto. Tim — It’s only Usenet.  Nobody dies.

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Firstly, a correction to my original post .   The 830’s are – as Joe Positive noted – silver, not off white as I first said.   I have trouble with colours. However, the most remarkable feature about these shoes is their ‘feel’.

Kind of interesting but that is what I love about my Nikes. They are responsive and lively. (lets not rehash the Nike = injury thing again please). My Ascics Gel Verticts come close but not quite. Downside?   They flick water onto your foot from the toe.   They are as waterproof as toilet paper.   The upper is impossible to sponge clean of mud without staining.   They are probably only suitable for lighter runners.

I’d also advise you to watch them for going flat quickly. I was disapointed that my old New Balance shoes didn’t last more than a few months. This was many years ago and yes I rotated 2 pair of shoes. This may have changed but my running friends who wear NB make sure they have an extra pair or two in reserve. Which is actually a good idea regardless of the shoe you wear. They confuse people who are slightly colour blind.

Does this mean you’re putting the right shoe on the left foot? I don’t know what they cost in the States, but go out and buy yourself a pair.   Every runner deserves to have happy feet and legs. NB 830’s – approved by a troll.

And actually by most NB runners I know. my $0.02 Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Roger.

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And actually by most NB runners I know.

Yes, but then again you also like Nike, so we know where to put your opinion (pulling down pants, bending over) Bill R. @@

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Firstly, a correction to my original post .   The 830’s are – as Joe Positive noted – silver, not off white as I first said.   I have trouble with colours. <snippety snip Did you get good,professional advice when you went to R&B? I don’t think they do colour analysis. I’m a bit hacked off with Greaves after my last experience there & the Saucony shoes I ended up with. Funny that.  They sold me a pair of Saucony shoes too.  Can’t say that there’s anythng wrong with them mind

The first Sauconys I got were OK, but I’m unhappy with this pair. . but I wasn’t too impressed with range offered (or the lack of a treadmill).

The foot scan facility is quite good but their range is pathetic. Not only for shoes but clothing as well. Some of the assistants are good but they have their share of numpties as well. I think I may pay a trip to R&B next time I’m in Edinburgh. Ditto.

Let me know how you get on. Another option is Achilles Heel in DeCourcy’s Arcade off Byres Rd. They have a treadmill apparently.

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   They are nice shoes Roger, I have two of them,  I also have a pair of 831’s I bought last October, after the 830’s were replaced.   Let’s see, I started with 828, then 829 then 830 and now 831.    If you want more 830’s I suggest buying them now if you can find them. Maybe get them on sale.  832’s should be out soon.  Frankly I have liked them all, but I like the 831’s best so far.  Yea, you are right about the lack of water proofing, but they do breath well.  To me that is more important.  Of course the most important part is they fit and feel good.

A lurker jumping in here:  For those who might like New Balance and not be aware of this, they have a website: www.newbalancewebexpress.com, that offers good buys on clearance items and closeouts.  They have the 830’s for 25% off, and in general they have a larger selection than most stores.  Normally I wouldn’t buy running shoes without trying them on, but once you know what you want this is a good site to know about.  Another thing I like about the site is that it tells which of their lasts (shoe molds) is used to make each shoe, and I’ve been successful ordering other shoes made with the same last as ones that fit me. Chris (not selling anything, just a satisfied customer)

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    They are nice shoes Roger, I have two of them,  I also have a pair of 831’s I bought last October, after the 830’s were replaced.   Let’s see, I started with 828, then 829 then 830 and now 831.     If you want more 830’s I suggest buying them now if you can find them. Maybe get them on sale.  832’s should be out soon.  Frankly I have liked them all, but I like the 831’s best so far.  Yea, you are right about the lack of water proofing, but they do breath well.  To me that is more important.  Of course the most important part is they fit and feel good. — Joseph E. Meehan 26 + 6 = 1  It’s Irish Math

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Firstly, a correction to my original post .   The 830’s are – as Joe Positive noted – silver, not off white as I first said.   I have trouble with colours. OK, so I’ve only done one 12k run in them – over a mixture or road, track and forest paths – but these are WONDERFUL running shoes.    They have tremendous grip on mud and wet road, have an extremely stable heel and midfoot, yet are light and flexible in the forefoot.   Cushioning is perfect for someone my weight (61 kg) and the uppers have no ‘hot spots’ or horrid seams to upset my delicate little feet. However, the most remarkable feature about these shoes is their ‘feel’. I’m still suffering from the 62k run I didn’t do last Sunday, so my pace was limited to around 7.30 – 8 min/miles for most of the run.   However, I did throw in a fast 3k-4k in the middle at around 6.20 min/mile pace to see what they felt like.   When you’re running slowly, you notice the stability in the heel area.   It doesn’t feel restrictive, your foot simply tracks nicely, no wobble.  When you increase the pace, the stability in the middle of the shoes takes over giving a sense of sure-footedness as you move onto the forefoot, which feels incredibly light and flexible.   I could rave on-and-on about these shoes, ’cause I haven’t been so impressed with a running shoe since the Tiger GT’s in the early ’80’s.  I love them.   They manage the rarely-achieved trick of stability with a feel of lightness and speed.  I think I’m going to have their babies. Downside?   They flick water onto your foot from the toe.   They are as waterproof as toilet paper.   The upper is impossible to sponge clean of mud without staining.   They are probably only suitable for lighter runners. They confuse people who are slightly colour blind. I don’t know what they cost in the States, but go out and buy yourself a pair.   Every runner deserves to have happy feet and legs. NB 830’s – approved by a troll. Roger.

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Firstly, a correction to my original post .   The 830’s are – as Joe Positive noted – silver, not off white as I first said.   I have trouble with colours. OK, so I’ve only done one 12k run in them – over a mixture or road, track and forest paths – but these are WONDERFUL running shoes.    They have tremendous grip on mud and wet road, have an extremely stable heel and midfoot, yet are light and flexible in the forefoot.   Cushioning is perfect for someone my weight (61 kg) and the uppers have no ‘hot spots’ or horrid seams to upset my delicate little feet. However, the most remarkable feature about these shoes is their ‘feel’. I’m still suffering from the 62k run I didn’t do last Sunday, so my pace was limited to around 7.30 – 8 min/miles for most of the run.   However, I did throw in a fast 3k-4k in the middle at around 6.20 min/mile pace to see what they felt like.   When you’re running slowly, you notice the stability in the heel area.   It doesn’t feel restrictive, your foot simply tracks nicely, no wobble.  When you increase the pace, the stability in the middle of the shoes takes over giving a sense of sure-footedness as you move onto the forefoot, which feels incredibly light and flexible.   I could rave on-and-on about these shoes, ’cause I haven’t been so impressed with a running shoe since the Tiger GT’s in the early ’80’s.  I love them.   They manage the rarely-achieved trick of stability with a feel of lightness and speed.  I think I’m going to have their babies. Downside?   They flick water onto your foot from the toe.   They are as waterproof as toilet paper.   The upper is impossible to sponge clean of mud without staining.   They are probably only suitable for lighter runners. They confuse people who are slightly colour blind. I don’t know what they cost in the States, but go out and buy yourself a pair.   Every runner deserves to have happy feet and legs. NB 830’s – approved by a troll. Roger.

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