"Ollie Sandcastle" (noth…@omegapoint.com) writes: > And quizzing glasses…and silk cravats…

Sing it now: "no, no, not me, "all I care about iiiIIIIIIiiis looove!" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> OTS > "paneon" <paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org> wrote in message > news:dlke8l$2m86$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au… >> "Ollie Sandcastle" <noth…@omegapoint.com> wrote in message >> news:bv8ff.5127$D03.2733@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net… >> > And frock coats too. >> I’d like to see a return of powered wigs for the dandies amongst us. >> La’ to you too, sir! >> (-paneon)

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And sword canes & pepper-barreled pistols. "Ollie Sandcastle" <noth…@omegapoint.com> wrote in news:SFtff.5296 $D03.1…@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And quizzing glasses…and silk cravats… > OTS > "paneon" <paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org> wrote in message > news:dlke8l$2m86$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au… >> "Ollie Sandcastle" <noth…@omegapoint.com> wrote in message >> news:bv8ff.5127$D03.2733@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net… >> > And frock coats too. >> I’d like to see a return of powered wigs for the dandies amongst us. >> La’ to you too, sir! >> (-paneon)

– As for the pastor, after four days of listening to science experts dismantling the case for intelligent design, he was unimpressed.   "They’re babblers," said the pastor, the Rev. Jim Grove, who leads a 40- member independent Baptist church outside of Dover. "The more Ph.D.’s you get, it seems like the further away from God you get."  (NY Times, 10-2- 05)

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10 Gallon Hats look best to me.  Lots of shade  & insulation. "Ollie Sandcastle" <noth…@omegapoint.com> wrote in news:wFtff.5295$D03.5286@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The thing with these hats is that, looking at ‘em, they seem most > excellently fashionable and practical. Like, they almost seem to have > guttering for when it rains. > OTS > "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > news:dlkc27$med$1@theodyn.ncf.ca… >> Tricorns I sure am all for. How nice and elegant and well, had >> character all right… They never made a hat so wow before nor after. >> I guess they would be too complicated to put into fashion, due to >> their shape and material and feathers, where it would cost too much >> to ship them "industrially" enough to make a fashion of it starting >> again. >> Imagine living in those days and one day, having your apointment with >> your hat maker? The feeling it must have been, like a special day… >> I’d not want the women’s hats of those days to come back though. Not >> the ones with the grapefruits and watermelons and pumpkins:) >> Hats used to fit me well enough, when younger, where I just wished I >> could wear them without looking six ft 2, being already tall. >> One day in a store, my sisters and I were playng trying on hats ad I >> remember a big wide black felt one I tried where they were shouting >> all excited how great it looked on me and how I had to buy it. But it >> exactly felt like I would have suddenly been 6 ft 2, and well, it was >> a fortune > for >> us at the time, a big 26 bucks:). >> We left the store without it, but the next week, it landed on my bed: >> one of my sisters had bought it for me:). (I was in my mid teens). >> I dunno who snatched it. It just was gone one day., as I realize just >> now writing this. Wonder what happened to it…. >> There was another I wore for years through my teens. Nothing of >> fashion, if everyoen wanted one like that, not knowing what they ever >> were > themself:) >> They actually were the headcaps that were worn when milking cows, to >> not have their tails split your head open. >> Two were left at the farm, when we bought it, with tons of other >> antiques, namely old farm equipment now worth a fortune for exactly >> being hard to > find. >> They were made out of horses mane (Engl? Sp?) hair >> , in a sort of net, lil squares forming a net. >> I liked it for keeping my hair up, but also for how it would not >> pevent the sun from touching my hair, cause summer got the >> copper-gold colors of it to just be livelier:), and cause it let my >> head breath too. >> My younger sister immediately asked where I got it, and when I told >> her, she went to fetch the other:). I remember us wearing them all >> the time, as we had hair down to our hips. Was an easy and fast way >> to tuck it safely no matter what we did, be it playing tennis or >> baling hay. >> But those would have caught on, given how many girls asked where they >> could find one. But then, that was me. I also had found a pair of >> Nike running shoes that no one seemed to ahve ehard about: when >> adidas became famous, nike was literally out of business way back. >> Poeple had forgotten they ever had existed at that time, really. And >> I happened to fall on a pair of nikes, all white without the adidas >> stripes that everyoen wore then, cant rememebr what their design of >> *then* was, the only pair left in an old country feneral store…and >> they fit me! I dunno how many times I was asked about where they >> coudl be bought. Later, many years later in fact, Nike came back >> again and everyoen was wearing them. By that time, I had found an old >> but brand new original 1950 pair of them black runnign shoes, with >> the white soul and white laces, and coming over the ankles… >> At the time, they were completely gone from the map. Only seen in old >> movies, sort of thing. But within a few years (2?) they made a come >> back:) >> I liked to bring back old forgotten things that were neat:) >> I hated designers signature things and hated to be used as a sign, so >> I would remove all markings on my jeans, one stitch at a time, one >> leather branded patch at a time. When people woudl ask where I got my >> jeans, they would not know. I;d of course pick what was not in >> fashion but *fit me*. While everyoen else picked the designer’s name >> even if it did not fit them. I had noticed by then that if I wore >> soemthign *I* liked, everyoen else wanted to wear it, and removing >> all brand names on my clothes then became a habit. >> In the recent years, I had to wear hand me downs, and without chosing >> if they fot me, given being ill and jobless for so many years. Since >> it all fots me all wrong, I *do* leave thedesigners name on them, >> heheeheheh:) Human beings should not be used as commercial signs. >> Unless they pay us for the rented space, nah! >> I’d not even put the tatoo of any guy’s name on my rear end, why >> woudl I allow sissy designers to write theirs???;-) Hehehehe:). BUT >> if it looks g****m awful on me, and I have no choice to wear it? Then >> is the time to leave their name on it:):). >>  "Ollie Sandcastle" (noth…@omegapoint.com) >> writes: > And frock coats too. >> > OTS

– As for the pastor, after four days of listening to science experts dismantling the case for intelligent design, he was unimpressed.   "They’re babblers," said the pastor, the Rev. Jim Grove, who leads a 40- member independent Baptist church outside of Dover. "The more Ph.D.’s you get, it seems like the further away from God you get."  (NY Times, 10-2- 05)

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And quizzing glasses…and silk cravats… OTS "paneon" <paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org> wrote in message

news:dlke8l$2m86$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Ollie Sandcastle" <noth…@omegapoint.com> wrote in message > news:bv8ff.5127$D03.2733@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net… > > And frock coats too. > I’d like to see a return of powered wigs for the dandies amongst us. > La’ to you too, sir! > (-paneon)

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"Ollie Sandcastle" (noth…@omegapoint.com) writes: > The thing with these hats is that, looking at ‘em, they seem most > excellently fashionable and practical. Like, they almost seem to have > guttering for when it rains.

Mppft:) And wings for when it winds, then….?? I always foigured that they made them this way to not go against the grain: when taking their hats off or keeping them in their hands in church, men must have made the sides curl in in time and ruin the hats. But with the tricorn, even if you roll the rims in, no big deal: made that way, therefore the hat is not ruined nor ruinable unless you sit on it. And to prevent that, they would put big tall hard feathers on the hat, of course;-)  >  > OTS >  > "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> news:dlkc27$med$1@theodyn.ncf.ca… >> Tricorns I sure am all for. How nice and elegant and well, had character >> all right… They never made a hat so wow before nor after. >> I guess they would be too complicated to put into fashion, due to their >> shape and material and feathers, where it would cost too much to ship them >> "industrially" enough to make a fashion of it starting again. >> Imagine living in those days and one day, having your apointment with your >> hat maker? The feeling it must have been, like a special day… >> I’d not want the women’s hats of those days to come back though. Not the >> ones with the grapefruits and watermelons and pumpkins:) >> Hats used to fit me well enough, when younger, where I just wished I could >> wear them without looking six ft 2, being already tall. >> One day in a store, my sisters and I were playng trying on hats ad I >> remember a big wide black felt one I tried where they were shouting all >> excited how great it looked on me and how I had to buy it. But it exactly >> felt like I would have suddenly been 6 ft 2, and well, it was a fortune > for >> us at the time, a big 26 bucks:). >> We left the store without it, but the next week, it landed on my bed: one >> of my sisters had bought it for me:). (I was in my mid teens). >> I dunno who snatched it. It just was gone one day., as I realize just now >> writing this. Wonder what happened to it…. >> There was another I wore for years through my teens. Nothing of fashion, >> if everyoen wanted one like that, not knowing what they ever were > themself:) >> They actually were the headcaps that were worn when milking cows, to not >> have their tails split your head open. >> Two were left at the farm, when we bought it, with tons of other antiques, >> namely old farm equipment now worth a fortune for exactly being hard to > find. >> They were made out of horses mane (Engl? Sp?) hair >> , in a sort of net, lil squares forming a net. >> I liked it for keeping my hair up, but also for how it would not pevent >> the sun from touching my hair, cause summer got the copper-gold colors of >> it to just be livelier:), and cause it let my head breath too. >> My younger sister immediately asked where I got it, and when I told her, >> she went to fetch the other:). I remember us wearing them all the time, as >> we had hair down to our hips. Was an easy and fast way to tuck it safely >> no matter what we did, be it playing tennis or baling hay. >> But those would have caught on, given how many girls asked where they >> could find one. But then, that was me. I also had found a pair of Nike >> running shoes that no one seemed to ahve ehard about: when adidas became >> famous, nike was literally out of business way back. Poeple had forgotten >> they ever had existed at that time, really. And I happened to fall on a >> pair of nikes, all white without the adidas stripes that everyoen wore >> then, cant rememebr what their design of *then* was, the only pair left in >> an old country feneral store…and they fit me! >> I dunno how many times I was asked about where they coudl be bought. >> Later, many years later in fact, Nike came back again and everyoen was >> wearing them. By that time, I had found an old but brand new original 1950 >> pair of them black runnign shoes, with the white soul and white laces, and >> coming over the ankles… >> At the time, they were completely gone from the map. Only seen in old >> movies, sort of thing. But within a few years (2?) they made a come back:) >> I liked to bring back old forgotten things that were neat:) >> I hated designers signature things and hated to be used as a sign, so I >> would remove all markings on my jeans, one stitch at a time, one leather >> branded patch at a time. When people woudl ask where I got my jeans, they >> would not know. I;d of course pick what was not in fashion but *fit me*. >> While everyoen else picked the designer’s name even if it did not fit >> them. I had noticed by then that if I wore soemthign *I* liked, everyoen >> else wanted to wear it, and removing all brand names on my clothes then >> became a habit. >> In the recent years, I had to wear hand me downs, and without chosing if >> they fot me, given being ill and jobless for so many years. Since it all >> fots me all wrong, I *do* leave thedesigners name on them, heheeheheh:) >> Human beings should not be used as commercial signs. >> Unless they pay us for the rented space, nah! >> I’d not even put the tatoo of any guy’s name on my rear end, why woudl I >> allow sissy designers to write theirs???;-) Hehehehe:). BUT if it looks >> g****m awful on me, and I have no choice to wear it? Then is the time to >> leave their name on it:):). >>  "Ollie Sandcastle" (noth…@omegapoint.com) >> writes: > And frock coats too. >> > OTS

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"Ollie Sandcastle" <noth…@omegapoint.com> wrote in message

news:bv8ff.5127$D03.2733@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net… > And frock coats too.

I’d like to see a return of powered wigs for the dandies amongst us. La’ to you too, sir! (-paneon)

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Ollie Sandcastle on 18/11/2005 12:37 am wrote: > And frock coats too. > OTS

And those wonderful Empire line gowns.

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"paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: > "Ollie Sandcastle" <noth…@omegapoint.com> wrote in message > news:bv8ff.5127$D03.2733@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net… >> And frock coats too. > I’d like to see a return of powered wigs for the dandies amongst us.

Yeah!! For both genders! I was thinking this week watching a movie where they had those that it would make neat winter hats, in fact! They’d cover the neck, the eras, etc, and would look neat:)  > – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> La’ to you too, sir! > (-paneon)

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The thing with these hats is that, looking at ‘em, they seem most excellently fashionable and practical. Like, they almost seem to have guttering for when it rains. OTS "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message

news:dlkc27$med$1@theodyn.ncf.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Tricorns I sure am all for. How nice and elegant and well, had character > all right… They never made a hat so wow before nor after. > I guess they would be too complicated to put into fashion, due to their > shape and material and feathers, where it would cost too much to ship them > "industrially" enough to make a fashion of it starting again. > Imagine living in those days and one day, having your apointment with your > hat maker? The feeling it must have been, like a special day… > I’d not want the women’s hats of those days to come back though. Not the > ones with the grapefruits and watermelons and pumpkins:) > Hats used to fit me well enough, when younger, where I just wished I could > wear them without looking six ft 2, being already tall. > One day in a store, my sisters and I were playng trying on hats ad I > remember a big wide black felt one I tried where they were shouting all > excited how great it looked on me and how I had to buy it. But it exactly > felt like I would have suddenly been 6 ft 2, and well, it was a fortune for > us at the time, a big 26 bucks:). > We left the store without it, but the next week, it landed on my bed: one > of my sisters had bought it for me:). (I was in my mid teens). > I dunno who snatched it. It just was gone one day., as I realize just now > writing this. Wonder what happened to it…. > There was another I wore for years through my teens. Nothing of fashion, > if everyoen wanted one like that, not knowing what they ever were themself:) > They actually were the headcaps that were worn when milking cows, to not > have their tails split your head open. > Two were left at the farm, when we bought it, with tons of other antiques, > namely old farm equipment now worth a fortune for exactly being hard to find. > They were made out of horses mane (Engl? Sp?) hair > , in a sort of net, lil squares forming a net. > I liked it for keeping my hair up, but also for how it would not pevent > the sun from touching my hair, cause summer got the copper-gold colors of > it to just be livelier:), and cause it let my head breath too. > My younger sister immediately asked where I got it, and when I told her, > she went to fetch the other:). I remember us wearing them all the time, as > we had hair down to our hips. Was an easy and fast way to tuck it safely > no matter what we did, be it playing tennis or baling hay. > But those would have caught on, given how many girls asked where they > could find one. But then, that was me. I also had found a pair of Nike > running shoes that no one seemed to ahve ehard about: when adidas became > famous, nike was literally out of business way back. Poeple had forgotten > they ever had existed at that time, really. And I happened to fall on a > pair of nikes, all white without the adidas stripes that everyoen wore > then, cant rememebr what their design of *then* was, the only pair left in > an old country feneral store…and they fit me! > I dunno how many times I was asked about where they coudl be bought. > Later, many years later in fact, Nike came back again and everyoen was > wearing them. By that time, I had found an old but brand new original 1950 > pair of them black runnign shoes, with the white soul and white laces, and > coming over the ankles… > At the time, they were completely gone from the map. Only seen in old > movies, sort of thing. But within a few years (2?) they made a come back:) > I liked to bring back old forgotten things that were neat:) > I hated designers signature things and hated to be used as a sign, so I > would remove all markings on my jeans, one stitch at a time, one leather > branded patch at a time. When people woudl ask where I got my jeans, they > would not know. I;d of course pick what was not in fashion but *fit me*. > While everyoen else picked the designer’s name even if it did not fit > them. I had noticed by then that if I wore soemthign *I* liked, everyoen > else wanted to wear it, and removing all brand names on my clothes then > became a habit. > In the recent years, I had to wear hand me downs, and without chosing if > they fot me, given being ill and jobless for so many years. Since it all > fots me all wrong, I *do* leave thedesigners name on them, heheeheheh:) > Human beings should not be used as commercial signs. > Unless they pay us for the rented space, nah! > I’d not even put the tatoo of any guy’s name on my rear end, why woudl I > allow sissy designers to write theirs???;-) Hehehehe:). BUT if it looks > g****m awful on me, and I have no choice to wear it? Then is the time to > leave their name on it:):). >  "Ollie Sandcastle" (noth…@omegapoint.com) > writes: > And frock coats too. > > OTS

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And frock coats too. OTS

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Tricorns I sure am all for. How nice and elegant and well, had character all right… They never made a hat so wow before nor after. I guess they would be too complicated to put into fashion, due to their shape and material and feathers, where it would cost too much to ship them "industrially" enough to make a fashion of it starting again. Imagine living in those days and one day, having your apointment with your hat maker? The feeling it must have been, like a special day… I’d not want the women’s hats of those days to come back though. Not the ones with the grapefruits and watermelons and pumpkins:) Hats used to fit me well enough, when younger, where I just wished I could wear them without looking six ft 2, being already tall. One day in a store, my sisters and I were playng trying on hats ad I remember a big wide black felt one I tried where they were shouting all excited how great it looked on me and how I had to buy it. But it exactly felt like I would have suddenly been 6 ft 2, and well, it was a fortune for us at the time, a big 26 bucks:). We left the store without it, but the next week, it landed on my bed: one of my sisters had bought it for me:). (I was in my mid teens). I dunno who snatched it. It just was gone one day., as I realize just now writing this. Wonder what happened to it…. There was another I wore for years through my teens. Nothing of fashion, if everyoen wanted one like that, not knowing what they ever were themself:) They actually were the headcaps that were worn when milking cows, to not have their tails split your head open. Two were left at the farm, when we bought it, with tons of other antiques, namely old farm equipment now worth a fortune for exactly being hard to find. They were made out of horses mane (Engl? Sp?) hair , in a sort of net, lil squares forming a net. I liked it for keeping my hair up, but also for how it would not pevent the sun from touching my hair, cause summer got the copper-gold colors of it to just be livelier:), and cause it let my head breath too. My younger sister immediately asked where I got it, and when I told her, she went to fetch the other:). I remember us wearing them all the time, as we had hair down to our hips. Was an easy and fast way to tuck it safely no matter what we did, be it playing tennis or baling hay. But those would have caught on, given how many girls asked where they could find one. But then, that was me. I also had found a pair of Nike running shoes that no one seemed to ahve ehard about: when adidas became famous, nike was literally out of business way back. Poeple had forgotten they ever had existed at that time, really. And I happened to fall on a pair of nikes, all white without the adidas stripes that everyoen wore then, cant rememebr what their design of *then* was, the only pair left in an old country feneral store…and they fit me! I dunno how many times I was asked about where they coudl be bought. Later, many years later in fact, Nike came back again and everyoen was wearing them. By that time, I had found an old but brand new original 1950 pair of them black runnign shoes, with the white soul and white laces, and coming over the ankles… At the time, they were completely gone from the map. Only seen in old movies, sort of thing. But within a few years (2?) they made a come back:) I liked to bring back old forgotten things that were neat:) I hated designers signature things and hated to be used as a sign, so I would remove all markings on my jeans, one stitch at a time, one leather branded patch at a time. When people woudl ask where I got my jeans, they would not know. I;d of course pick what was not in fashion but *fit me*. While everyoen else picked the designer’s name even if it did not fit them. I had noticed by then that if I wore soemthign *I* liked, everyoen else wanted to wear it, and removing all brand names on my clothes then became a habit. In the recent years, I had to wear hand me downs, and without chosing if they fot me, given being ill and jobless for so many years. Since it all fots me all wrong, I *do* leave thedesigners name on them, heheeheheh:) Human beings should not be used as commercial signs. Unless they pay us for the rented space, nah! I’d not even put the tatoo of any guy’s name on my rear end, why woudl I allow sissy designers to write theirs???;-) Hehehehe:). BUT if it looks g****m awful on me, and I have no choice to wear it? Then is the time to leave their name on it:):).  "Ollie Sandcastle" (noth…@omegapoint.com) writes: > And frock coats too. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> OTS

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Yes it is true ! Paula radcliffe is going to be launching a new range of running shoes and run clothing. NIKE Quitter. The new range is sure to help any athlete quit with some dignity (although paula did the new NIKE range a little injustice in the dignity stakes when she quit the marathon). Oh well,

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Yes it is true ! Paula radcliffe is going to be launching a new range of running shoes and run clothing. NIKE Quitter. The new range is sure to help any athlete quit with some dignity (although paula did the new NIKE range a little injustice in the dignity stakes when she quit the marathon). Oh well,

You’re not exactly the Last Comic Standing, are you.   The same bad line delivered five different ways. Not funny once. D. Wells Remove the numbers to mail me. Include the text "gore-in-2004" (without quotation marks) to ensure you make it past the spam filter.

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Well, I should add that I have also customized my insoles, adding a second layer along the inside 1/3 or so. I have a complex kind of flat foot problem.   My podiatrist has never seen such "bad" feet in a runner.   He still shakes his head when he sees my feet — but I got my revenge when he saw me beat a couple of Athletics West sponsored guys in a race.  I had to experiment.  The orthotic wasn’t strong enough, and podiatriasts are conservative. I’ve found that if my foot turns inward more than a tiny amount when I put weight on it, it needs more support.  (no warranties implied, ymmv, etc) When I finally gave my feet enough support, all kinds of aches and pains went away, and my downhill running improved markedly. As far as shoe type is concerned, I found that a soft shoe was needed to heal my knee, and I’ve stuck with them ever since.  I train and race ultras in my Nike Air Pegasus shoes.  I figure that the orthotic gives me a pretty stable base;  it works for me, anyway. I’ve stuck with this model for about 4 years, and am not one of those runners with 8 different types of shoes.  No one but you can figure what you run and feel best with. —  Dan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dan- Interesting post… I have had orthotics for 2 years, and they appear to have helped me get over plantar fasciitis (slowly), but a slight knee complaint keeps persisting. I have always had trouble getting a straight answer regarding what kind of running shoes are suitable for use with orthotics.  I had heard that a motion control shoe is required to provide a stable base for the orthotic. However, it appears that the shoe companies are going more toward a motion control shoe that acts as an orthotic.  In that case, wouldn’t the correction be additive? Have you found that a  straight cushioning shoe works well  w/ the orthotics?  Does it feel as stable as a MC shoe? Thanks, Harry Don’t sell yourself short… I was diagnosed with a small tear about 10 yrs ago.  It hurt just running 200 yards on pavement, but only a little on trails and soft sand. I went very slow, found cushy shoes, got my feet aligned with orthotics, and now 8 yrs later I have *no* symptoms.  I run 70-85 mpw (mostly on dirt), and race 30k to 50mile races without any problems.  I just ran a downhill section at 5:10/mile this morning, and not a peep from Mr. Knee. It took about 2 years to get back to normal.  It would have been faster if I’d gotten softer shoes and orthotics sooner, I think.  I was 44 at the time. If your feet aren’t properly supported, your arch collapses with each stride, causing the tibia to twist inward more than the 2 degrees allowed in the design spec.  This can cause lots of problems, and most likely caused my injury. Don’t give up!  Avoid pavement when possible.  etc, etc. —  Dan I have received the unfortunate news that I have a slight tear in my medial meniscus – too small for surgery big enough to affect my running for the rest of my life.  I can continue to run; however, have to keep my marathon running to a minimum.  I can do all the running I want in 10 mile increments – anything over that needs to be done minimally.  Anyone have any cross training suggestions that would help me train for marathons without 3 hour training runs.  Thanks!

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I have received the unfortunate news that I have a slight tear in my medial meniscus – too small for surgery big enough to affect my running for the rest of my life.  I can continue to run; however, have to keep my marathon running to a minimum.  I can do all the running I want in 10 mile increments – anything over that needs to be done minimally.  Anyone have any cross training suggestions that would help me train for marathons without 3 hour training runs.  Thanks!

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Dan- Interesting post… I have had orthotics for 2 years, and they appear to have helped me get over plantar fasciitis (slowly), but a slight knee complaint keeps persisting. I have always had trouble getting a straight answer regarding what kind of running shoes are suitable for use with orthotics.  I had heard that a motion control shoe is required to provide a stable base for the orthotic. However, it appears that the shoe companies are going more toward a motion control shoe that acts as an orthotic.  In that case, wouldn’t the correction be additive? Have you found that a  straight cushioning shoe works well  w/ the orthotics?  Does it feel as stable as a MC shoe? Thanks, Harry

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t sell yourself short… I was diagnosed with a small tear about 10 yrs ago.  It hurt just running 200 yards on pavement, but only a little on trails and soft sand. I went very slow, found cushy shoes, got my feet aligned with orthotics, and now 8 yrs later I have *no* symptoms.  I run 70-85 mpw (mostly on dirt), and race 30k to 50mile races without any problems.  I just ran a downhill section at 5:10/mile this morning, and not a peep from Mr. Knee. It took about 2 years to get back to normal.  It would have been faster if I’d gotten softer shoes and orthotics sooner, I think.  I was 44 at the time. If your feet aren’t properly supported, your arch collapses with each stride, causing the tibia to twist inward more than the 2 degrees allowed in the design spec.  This can cause lots of problems, and most likely caused my injury. Don’t give up!  Avoid pavement when possible.  etc, etc. —  Dan I have received the unfortunate news that I have a slight tear in my medial meniscus – too small for surgery big enough to affect my running for the rest of my life.  I can continue to run; however, have to keep my marathon running to a minimum.  I can do all the running I want in 10 mile increments – anything over that needs to be done minimally.  Anyone have any cross training suggestions that would help me train for marathons without 3 hour training runs.  Thanks!

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Don’t sell yourself short… I was diagnosed with a small tear about 10 yrs ago.  It hurt just running 200 yards on pavement, but only a little on trails and soft sand. I went very slow, found cushy shoes, got my feet aligned with orthotics, and now 8 yrs later I have *no* symptoms.  I run 70-85 mpw (mostly on dirt), and race 30k to 50mile races without any problems.  I just ran a downhill section at 5:10/mile this morning, and not a peep from Mr. Knee. It took about 2 years to get back to normal.  It would have been faster if I’d gotten softer shoes and orthotics sooner, I think.  I was 44 at the time. If your feet aren’t properly supported, your arch collapses with each stride, causing the tibia to twist inward more than the 2 degrees allowed in the design spec.  This can cause lots of problems, and most likely caused my injury. Don’t give up!  Avoid pavement when possible.  etc, etc. —  Dan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have received the unfortunate news that I have a slight tear in my medial meniscus – too small for surgery big enough to affect my running for the rest of my life.  I can continue to run; however, have to keep my marathon running to a minimum.  I can do all the running I want in 10 mile increments – anything over that needs to be done minimally.  Anyone have any cross training suggestions that would help me train for marathons without 3 hour training runs.  Thanks!

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I would recommend any of the SOF Insoles. I am a severe overpronator (complete flat feet) and I use the SOF graphite orthotic – which is quite light (2.3 oz) and is very good for shock absorption. They *ARE* a little thick and dont fit all running shoes all that well, and take time getting used to, but once you find the right shoe (eg: Nike Air Pegasus) ; remove the existing insole, replace them with the SOF Sole and get used to them…they are heaven! Hope that helps…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for the lightest or at least light insole that provides the best shock absorption.  I think the gel insoles are good for shock, but they seem so heavy!  Any recommnedations are appreciated. Thanks, p

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Don’t quit your day job. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Marshmallows.  And when you finish the jog, you can eat the insoles as a fast energy pick me up.

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I’m looking for the lightest or at least light insole that provides the best shock absorption.  I think the gel insoles are good for shock, but they seem so heavy!  Any recommnedations are appreciated. Thanks, p

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Marshmallows.  And when you finish the jog, you can eat the insoles as a fast energy pick me up.

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I need some recommendations for light weight (~ 10.2 oz) neutral running shoes which will accommodate orthotics comfortably. I have severe flat feet and overpronate like crazy. I use the SOF Sole graphite orthotics

I don’t know about anyone else but i find that the goretex breathable sports boots work well for my feet. Anything that breathes and is built for max support should be better i’d have thought. You can also get those new gel foot shaped inserts from good hiking shops, blacks are one example. These things are formed to the shape of your feet and cost about 30 quid a pair. — T1 Dx’d 1993. 26u Lantus and as much novorapid as my meter says i need

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend, not medically qualified, has suggested to me that Nike trainers instead of leather shoes might benefit my neuropathic and arthritic feet. Any thoughts, ideas, experiences would be greatly welcomed by this particular sufferer. Thanks in advance. — Al. Idiopathic t1 Last HbA1c 5.95 Total Chol 2.7 Current Blood Pressure 118/74 Resting Pulse Rate 71 Beef Lente 1x Beef Neutral 2x

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A friend, not medically qualified, has suggested to me that Nike trainers instead of leather shoes might benefit my neuropathic and arthritic feet. Any thoughts, ideas, experiences would be greatly welcomed by this particular sufferer. Thanks in advance. — Al. Idiopathic t1 Last HbA1c 5.95 Total Chol 2.7 Current Blood Pressure 118/74 Resting Pulse Rate 71 Beef Lente 1x Beef Neutral 2x

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A friend, not medically qualified, has suggested to me that Nike trainers instead of leather shoes might benefit my neuropathic and arthritic feet. Any thoughts, ideas, experiences would be greatly welcomed by this particular sufferer. Thanks in advance. —

The problem I find with trainers is that they don’t ‘breath’ as well as leather shoes. If I wear em for too long me feet get sweaty and start to pong! This is the first stage to bacteria growing and infection setting in. So no, I restrict the wearing of trainers and always gives me tootsies a good wash after wearing em:o) Philip Martin.

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A friend, not medically qualified, has suggested to me that Nike trainers instead of leather shoes might benefit my neuropathic and arthritic feet. Any thoughts, ideas, experiences would be greatly welcomed by this particular sufferer. Thanks in advance.

Hi Al I’ve got a couple of pairs of Nike ACG (All Condition Gear) and I find them to be an excellent fit, very comfortable on the feet and very supportive. No, I don’t work for Nike Cheers Steve E. Whitley Bay, North East England Tyneside & Northumberland Local History Group at: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/tyneside For photographs of the Newcastle Upon Tyne area go to: http://www.steve-ellwood.org.uk http://www.geordies.force9.co.uk "Geordie goes beyond mere geography and is a quality of heart"

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The problem I find with trainers is that they don’t ‘breath’ as well as leather shoes. If I wear em for too long me feet get sweaty and start to pong! This is the first stage to bacteria growing and infection setting in. So no, I restrict the wearing of trainers and always gives me tootsies a good wash after wearing em:o)

New Balance makes leather athletic shoes. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend, not medically qualified, has suggested to me that Nike trainers instead of leather shoes might benefit my neuropathic and arthritic feet. Any thoughts, ideas, experiences would be greatly welcomed by this particular sufferer. Thanks in advance. I don’t know about the neuropathy aspect Al, but when I once went to my doc’s, he had a student doc sitting in with him and he pointed my shoes out to her, complimented me on them and said to her "THOSE are the shoes a diabetic should wear". They were trainers, but I can’t remember if they were my Nikes or any of the others. (Not that I’ve got a shedful you understand:-) The chiropodist at the clinic said my feet are in good nick too, but maybe she just can’t pronounce Nike:-))) Beav

Thanks for the smile, you always cheer me up. My original friend – she is *still* a friend, but the one I mentioned in my first post – is not diabollocal, but arthritic. From the good info I got here from so many people – for which, a big thank you to one and all – I got some sensible questions to ask the podiatrist when I see her next month. Looks like the Nikes and Goretex inserts at the moment, we’ll see. — Al. Idiopathic t1 Last HbA1c 5.95 Total Chol 2.7 Current Blood Pressure 118/74 Resting Pulse Rate 71 Beef Lente 1x Beef Neutral 2x

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend, not medically qualified, has suggested to me that Nike trainers instead of leather shoes might benefit my neuropathic and arthritic feet. Any thoughts, ideas, experiences would be greatly welcomed by this particular sufferer. Thanks in advance. I don’t know about the neuropathy aspect Al, but when I once went to my doc’s, he had a student doc sitting in with him and he pointed my shoes out to her, complimented me on them and said to her "THOSE are the shoes a diabetic should wear". They were trainers, but I can’t remember if they were my Nikes or any of the others. (Not that I’ve got a shedful you understand:-) The chiropodist at the clinic said my feet are in good nick too, but maybe she just can’t pronounce Nike:-)))

I started getting foot care before I was diagnosed with DM — my big toes were getting all squished in and my toenails were deforming.  I had bigtime fungus problems.  Anyway, the NP I saw recommended New Balance shoes to me, and I’ve been wearing them ever since — in a size considerably larger and wider than I thought I needed!  That helped a lot, and when I got orthotics to help with my plantar fasciitis it was even better.  I believe that "trainers" are athletic shoes or sneakers.   Yes?  New Balance has a variety of running shoes, walking shoes, cross trainers, etc. I’ve worn nothing but New Balance (mostly walking shoes) since then.   Some of their shoes are made with a last called SL2, and those are the best.  I don’t know if they make them in men’s sizes, though. Priscilla

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend, not medically qualified, has suggested to me that Nike trainers instead of leather shoes might benefit my neuropathic and arthritic feet. Any thoughts, ideas, experiences would be greatly welcomed by this particular sufferer. Thanks in advance. I don’t know about the neuropathy aspect Al, but when I once went to my doc’s, he had a student doc sitting in with him and he pointed my shoes out to her, complimented me on them and said to her "THOSE are the shoes a diabetic should wear". They were trainers, but I can’t remember if they were my Nikes or any of the others. (Not that I’ve got a shedful you understand:-) The chiropodist at the clinic said my feet are in good nick too, but maybe she just can’t pronounce Nike:-))) I started getting foot care before I was diagnosed with DM — my big toes were getting all squished in and my toenails were deforming.  I had bigtime fungus problems.  Anyway, the NP I saw recommended New Balance shoes to me, and I’ve been wearing them ever since — in a size considerably larger and wider than I thought I needed!  That helped a lot, and when I got orthotics to help with my plantar fasciitis it was even better.  I believe that "trainers" are athletic shoes or sneakers. Yes?  New Balance has a variety of running shoes, walking shoes, cross trainers, etc. I’ve worn nothing but New Balance (mostly walking shoes) since then. Some of their shoes are made with a last called SL2, and those are the best.  I don’t know if they make them in men’s sizes, though. Priscilla

Yes, I got fungus problems too, but since I got that elsewhere (guess lol) and another issue or two I think that is systemic C. Albicans. As far as the shoes go, I never heard of New Balance, might be American only, I will search that one out. Yes, "trainers" are sneakers. From what I read, men’s sizes are probably available. I will find out, there is not a rush, because I’ve had arthritis 30 years, and neuropathy 2 years, so another 40-odd days to my podiatrist won`t make a lot of difference. A big thank you again to all, I don’t know what I’d do without you. — Al. Idiopathic t1 Last HbA1c 5.95 Total Chol 2.7 Current Blood Pressure 118/74 Resting Pulse Rate 71 Beef Lente 1x Beef Neutral 2x

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I’ve worn nothing but New Balance (mostly walking shoes) since then. Some of their shoes are made with a last called SL2, and those are the best.  I don’t know if they make them in men’s sizes, though.

They do make the SL2 in mens.  They are not necessarily the best, but will fit feet of a certain build better.  To be specific, feet that are wider in the front.  The SL1 (also in mens) are a better fit for people who have a foot that is more narrow proportionally in the front, although not necessarily a narrow foot.  New Balance does have a website that explains the various lasts and types of shoes they sell. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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 said this… They look really good, and I see they have a shop in Newcastle.  The only thing I didn’t see is any kind of price guide. What sort of prices are we talking about here?

similar or less than other brands, I picked a pair up for

A school in Louisiana expelled a kid for having AdVil in her purse. They’re apparently afraid of lawsuits.  OD in class and sue the school; get robbed at gunpoint and sue the gunmaker; if the thief gets away, sue Nike for making running shoes conducive to speed; if the perp bashes in your head with his fists, sue York Barbell Co. for making him so strong. But whatever you do, don’t hold the person responsible for his actions. BroJack

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*sigh*  i’m getting depressed

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A school in Louisiana expelled a kid for having AdVil in her purse. They’re apparently afraid of lawsuits.  OD in class and sue the school; get robbed at gunpoint and sue the gunmaker; if the thief gets away, sue Nike for making running shoes conducive to speed; if the perp bashes in your head with his fists, sue York Barbell Co. for making him so strong. But whatever you do, don’t hold the person responsible for his actions. BroJack

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ROFL!!!!!!  I needed that giggle Steve Love from Caz..x — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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The next day there’s a knock at the door and when he opens it he finds a muscular guy standing there wearing nothing but pink running shoes and a sign around his neck that reads, "If I catch you, you’re mine."

        Ooooooooooooh!  He’ll get it in the end, if he’s not careful…         Good one, Steve! Dennis — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Weight Loss Program A man was ordered by his doctor to lose 75 lbs. due to very serious health risks. As he wondered how in the heck he would ever do it, he ran across an ad in the newspaper for a GUARANTEED WEIGHT LOSS PROGRAM. "Guaranteed. Yeah right!" he thought to himself. But desperate, he calls them up and subscribes to the 3-day/10 pound weight loss program. The next day there’s a knock at his door, and when he answers, there stands before him a voluptuous, athletic, 19 year old girl dressed in nothing but a pair of Nike running shoes and a sign round her neck. She introduces herself as a representative of the weight loss company. The sign reads, "If you can catch me, you can have me!" Without a second thought he takes off after her. A few miles later, huffing and puffing, he finally catches her and has his way with her. After they are through and she leaves, he thinks to himself, "I like the way this company does business!" The same girl shows up for the next two days and the same thing happens. On the fourth day, he weighs himself and is delighted to find he has lost 10lb. as promised. He calls the company and orders their 5-day/ 20 pound program. The next day there’s a knock at the door and there stands the most stunning, beautiful, sexy woman he has ever seen in his life, wearing nothing but Reebok running shoes and a sign around her neck that reads, "If you catch me, you can have me." He’s out the door or after her like a shot. This girl is in excellent shape and it takes him a while to catch her, but when he does, it is worth every cramp and wheeze. For the next four days, the same routine happens. Much to his delight, on the fifth day, he weighs himself and found he has lost another 20 lbs. As promised. He decides to go for broke and calls the company to order the 7-day/50 pound program. "Are you sure?" asks the representative on the phone. "This is our most rigorous program." Absolutely," he replies, "I haven’t felt this good in years". The next day there’s a knock at the door and when he opens it he finds a muscular guy standing there wearing nothing but pink running shoes and a sign around his neck that reads, "If I catch you, you’re mine." ) Steve. — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’ve just started learning to toe strike, but at the moment only with spikes on grass – a this is easier. However, I need a suitable trainer for toe striking when I get back on the roads. I currently run in a Nike Span Triax, but this has un-necessary support, which I will no longer benefit from. All the trainers on the market seem to have heal cushioning in abundance. However not many seem to have mainly forefoot cushioning. I suppose a racing flat would suit a toe-strikers needs, but i’m not sure about doing high mileage in them. The trouble is, the

I have done about 1500 km since start of this year in racing flats (Saucony Static Racer, Asic Tiger Paw) – no ill effects that could be blamed on the shoes. However, take your time in building up mileage in flats, since it will tax your lower leg and foot muscles much more than before. Be sure to do some strength training and stretching for the lower leg and foot mucles to avoid overuse injuries. Also, note that you probably do not want more than minimum forefoot cushioning, but want to learn how to strike the ground softly. Note that the conversion will take time, probably about 3-6 months, depending on your fitness level, talent and luck in changing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – big heal on most trainers is designed to promote a heal strike – this is not what I want. I’ve been told its quite hard to overcome this effect and land on the toes. On a documentary I saw a Kenyon athlete training on the trails who had a very efficient free-flowing toe-strike style wearing what looked like Nike Pegasus. Any views on this trainer? I suppose it doesn’t have any support, which is what I need. I’ve just read this article which has kinda scared me about modern running shoes: http://run-down.com/guests/pt_shoes.php I don’t want to turn this into a debate about the pros and cons of toe/heal strike because looking at the archive, the subject seems to have been talked to death already. But there must be lots of toe-strikers around, so what do they wear? Also I don’t want to start an anti-nike flame war, as I know a lot of people don’t like them. However the fact is, if they were that bad, top athletes like Radcliffe and El Guerrouj wouldn’t jeopardize their careers by wearing them – despite the high amounts of cash their paid by Nike.

–  Pro is to con as progress is to Congress.

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imo a flat is what you want because it’s going to be limber/flexible and allow you to employ the running technique you’re aiming for (toe striking).   since you’re new to this and doing long distance…consider the NB 330 as it’s the most "built up" "flat" other than the Nike Air Kukini.     Again, you’re talking about long distance….that seems to be your concern….and these are legit "flats" that will let you ball/toe strike…..and flats that are built up more so than let’s say a pair of NB 150s or Gel Racers.   I’d suggest a different shoe if you were talking less than 15K and or 10 Miles….but since you’re talking longer distances….I say go w/the Kikini pr RC 330 shoe.   Both these will also allow for forefront insoles…. Andrew….

The thing is, the RC 150 is only 142g and the 330 is still only 235g. I’m still slightly concerned about doing 50 mile weeks in anything less than 300g, despite what that article says. As for the Kukini, that doesn’t seem to be in the Bowerman range, its more of a fashion shoe. It doesn’t even have laces.

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You’re completely wrong about the new Kukini.   Running Times characterized the shoe as: "The new Kukini is ultra-light, ultra-flexible, fit-adaptable

Haha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was in the same boat as you about a year and a half ago, weighing almost 200 lbs at 6′. You’re a big boy for a 5th grader…

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When I get shin splints I: 1.  Ice them like crazy. 2.  Put a weight on my toes – ankle weight, can of soup in  a bag – and do toe raises. This is the miracle cure for me. Good luck.  They’re no fun. Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs. Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job. Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things: 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight. Thanks a lot! -JR

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Oh god, i’m losing it… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Haha I was in the same boat as you about a year and a half ago, weighing almost 200 lbs at 6′. You’re a big boy for a 5th grader…

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oh god, i’m losing it…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Haha I was in the same boat as you about a year and a half ago, weighing almost 200 lbs at 6′. You’re a big boy for a 5th grader…

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Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad.

Summary:   Healing Shin Splint Folklore and Prevention Some folklore on shin splints and ways to think about what causes shin splints.  A different way to think about shin splints and some things to do about them. I continue to believe that the shin spints come more from the overstride and the deceleration and then the overstretch of the shin which should be relaxing but hasn’t had time. It is then being stretched by the contracting calf muscle. For me I define an overstride as landing on the back of the heel of the shoe. If I were jumping up and down, I would never land on the heels of my shoes nor on my heels if I were barefoot. So why run landing on the heels…and by this I mean the back of the heels if one were barefoot. For me the image remains that as I place my foot under my center of gravity, the rest of my body is catapulted forward from that platform. This means that the calf contracting isn’t pushing the entire body weight forward. The body weight has been catapulted forward by the glut/ham on the planted foot(the platform), the thrust forward of the elbow/shoulder of the platform side and the quad/psoas of the leg coming through to conterbalance the torque of the platform side. Anyway here, as you mentioned would show up in a few days, some of the shin splint folklore which I have shared with several thousand people over the past 2 decades. In case you didn’t see the post above or didn’t get others on your ISP, I’ve compiled them: Healing Shin Splint Folklore and Prevention by Ozzie c. 2000 Austin "Ozzie" Gontang, Ph.D. Folklore #1 Shin splints are from the posterior and anterior tibilis getting tight and holding on and not letting go. Every step becomes a pain in the shins when running. Remember that the problem may be the calf muscles which means the shins have to work against muscles which only partially relax putting all kinds of strain on the shin. See article mentioned in #3 below. As you run, walk, let your toes relax. Often going up on the toes means the shin is being elongated…and if it is tight and holding on, the calves have to overcome the tightness in the shins…gradually the shins from being overstretched, tighten even more…and then your body realizes that it is even difficult to walk. As you stand during your day practice standing so that you can wiggle your toes at all times. Lean forward and notice how the toes dig in. That posture can also be a problem spot for the shins which get chronically tight and the running when the shins should be relaxing…that is when the calves are contracting…the shins only partially relax and the pain is that of ripping a muscle that doesn’t want to let go. The ultimate muscle though which we have all passed goes from 0 cm to 10 cm. Now you realize the need to focus on relaxing as the crown pushes against that muscle attempting to force it to go to 10 cm too quickly. Breathing and relaxing can relax against that pressure. For the shins, it’s also teaching the shins to let go. Everyone (except a few of us) attempt to strengthen and make the shin stronger rather than release the tightened and bound shin muscles. Folklore #2 Get on all fours on a carpeted floor with the feet off the edge of a step. Place a tennis ball under one anterior tibialis. Keep most of the weight on the other knee and hands. Move foot easily up and down as you put more pressure on the tennis ball and roll it slowly over the belly of the shin muscle. Do the other foot the same way. See which foot is giving you the most pain. Folklore #3a See http://www.mindfulness.com/of1.asp. Face the railing. Turn the feet and entire body so that it is 45 degrees to the bar. Place the anterior shin over the bar so that the shin muscle and NOT the shin bone rest on the rail. If rail is too high, use the middle rail. Slowly make a small circle with the foot and slowly slide the shin down the railing. Do once or twice and then switch, facing the rail but turning 45 degrees in the other direction to do your other shin. Remember if you go too hard, too fast, too much, you’ll only end up causing added problems as your muscle will tighten up even more to protect itself from your intensity. Go for the grace. Also remember that folklore means that if something doesnt’ work for you, give it no power or energy but rather find someone who makes sense and whose folklore works for you. Folklore #3b One thing I’ve found over the years is that the peroneus, the muscle which runs down the outside of the leg – it everts the outside of the foot – often gets pulled and to protect itself it tightens- i.e. shortens. After the healing of the ligaments around the ankle, that peroneus (longus and medius portion) can remain in its semi-contracted state. which means it doesn’t fully relax when the posterior tibialis – its counterpart – lifts the inside of the foot up. Way to loosen it with someone else helping. Have your partner start about 3 inches above the ankle bone. Hold as if you are going to strangle – fingers wrap around the lower leg, thumbs pointing toward each other or one thumb rests on the other thumb (if more pressure is desired). Have your partner use light pressure by pushing in with theirthumbs as you make a small (emphasis on small), smooth (emphasis on smooth) circle. As you makes small smooth circles with the foot your partner strangling your leg, slowly slides the thumbs up the peroneus muscle. The idea is that you can loosen the muscle from any adhesions and also you can loosen up the fascia which may be holding the peroneus from relaxing and going through it full range of motion. Usually after 3 or 4 times of small circles and your partner holding, walk. More often than not, you’ll feel less pressure around the ankle as it can move more freely due to the freeing of the peroneus higher up the leg…which takes the tightness off the ankle area. The peroneus and posterior tibialis are often called stirrup muscles as they invert and evert the foot. They are also postural muscles and therefore slow twitch, in that they help maintain correct posture when functioning properly. To do the same thing, face a railing with a middle railing (see picture from web site). Turn your body 45 degrees and place the peroneus side of the leg on the bar, usually the lower is better unless you’re very tall. Do the same foot movement as mentioned above to loosen the peroneus and the fascia which may be constricting the ankle for its full range of motion. Get back to us and let us know how it works. The web site picture where I have a group of people using the railing to loosen the belly of the calf muscle, gives you an idea of how to use the railing. The railing you want to use is the middle railing: http://www.mindfulness.com/of1.asp Folklore #3c I have for the last couple of weeks had a pain just above my right inside

ankle. If I hold up my leg and roll my foot to the inside, it causes the ankle to hurt. Snip—– If I had that pain I’d look first to see if the posterior tibialis had tightened up in response to the hill work. Second, I’d have the "deep tissue cross friction message" read: "Please do some work on my peroneus, especially the longus; and show me a few ways of how I might do that myself." From what you’ve said, I’d look at my form to see where I was landing on my

foot. I have been a strong proponent for ball/heel or midsole landing. That way I know that there is no overstride. Probably you’re getting some overstride in you heavy workout, which causes the braking effect and causes the problem you mention. Folklore #4 I’d look at the posterior tibialis, that muscle behind the shin bone on the inside. 1. You are seated 2. Left leg crossed on right thigh so outside of left leg rests on right thigh about 3 or 4 inches above right knee. 3. place right thumb below left shin bone closest to you so it rests on the posterior tibialis 4. Right hand rest on the shin bone. 5. Place the left hand next to the right hand on the shin bone so that the left thumb rests on top of the right thumb. 6. Make small (emphasis on small) and smooth (emphasis on smooth) circles with the left foot so there is no (spelled NO) jerkiness – otherwise you’re just straining tendon. 7. As you make the circle and the left toe goes downward, push in with the thumbs. With each circle move the thumbs about a quarter of an inch further up the leg. 8. Find the spot that creates most pain and push more lightly at that spot so as not to create excrutiating pain and then move thumbs away first upward and then away downward, pushing harder so that you can feel the muscle under your thumbs let go. 9. If you push too hard, go too fast, wince the face, stop breathing because of the pain, go too deep, you’ll get the reverse of what you want. 10. What you want is that posterior tibialis to let go so that your circle can move easily. Usually if it is bruised, the blood came from up above where the muscle tear took place and gravity let it settle where the bruise is. 11. You’d like also to make sure that the posterior tibialis is not flush up again the shin bone. There should be some space where your thumb can go up that groove between the posterior shin muscle and the shin bone. Orgradually work to get it back, since if it’s not there, then your shin is holding and probably the fascia won’t allow the muscle to go through its range of motion and also the micro tears of the muscle or at the muscle tendon junction of the posterior shin muscle has scarred and also decreases the range of motion for the posterior shin. Let us know how it goes and … read more »

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I think I’m psychotic too. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – God! I am SUCH an ass!

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I was in the same boat as you about a year and a half ago, weighing almost 200 lbs at 6′.

You’re a big boy for a 5th grader…

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God! I am SUCH an ass!

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This guy is a loser, ignore him. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is not simple going to be resolved by a pair of running shoes.. Maybe in your case, but I’ll bet any amount of money it is in his case. You are the exception, not the rule. As for what I use now, I use a neutral shoe, so I can slip in my orthotic. I happen to use NIKE Air peagus, despite all the anti-Nike nonsence on this newsgroup, it’s a good shoe, anyone disagree’s I’ll have them a race If your using orthotics then you aren’t even running in stock Nikes, so there’s no comparison. Once you change the inserts to orthotics you are running in a custom shoe. Lastly, Shin Splint’s is an umbrealla term, like ‘Sore head’.  Find out what you have exactly. Good luck T I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs. Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job. Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things: 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight. Thanks a lot! -JR

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A few of you mentioned Nikes aren’t good, well I’ve had a pair of Asics last year when I ran a few times and I could feel the pain starting then too.  I didn’t continue running so I didn’t think much of it.  But now that I’d like to start running 5-6 days a week, I’m pretty concerned.

What kind os Asics? If it’s a cheaper model then you aren’t doing yourself any favors, or maybe you just got the wrong design for your running style. In either case just remember this, you can get a far better shoe than Nike for at LEAST a third to half of what you’ll pay for a nike.

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I was in the same boat as you about a year and a half ago, weighing almost 200 lbs at 6′.  I gained about 40 extra lbs in college, and at 25 my body just couldn’t handle the extra weight.  Several times I had attempted to play basketball and do some running, only to get major pain in my shins.  I even went to a doctor, who really didn’t do much for me, except tell me I should stretch more.  Today I’m down to 167 lbs and actually trying to eat more so I don’t lose anymore weight, and running 5+ miles 4 times a week with X-training on the off days. What I would suggest is, find some good shoes, but also take it slow, don’t concentrate so much on just running.  Your legs can’t handle the added weight, since when you were active, they were used to 160 lbs. I’d suggest doing low impact cardio to lose the weight, whether it’s an elliptical machine, rowing machine, swimming, or biking.  But since you probably want to run, just mix in enough running where you feel comfortable. At the same time, what I did was, I spent some time in the gym exercising my lower body.  I was able to build up the strength in my legs so that I could handle the everyday pounding.  I also took my doc’s stretching advice and made that a priority before and after every workout.  Today, I haven’t had pain in over a year, with the only exception being last weekend’s knee pain (I had a pair of shoes that had seen better days, 350+ miles, so I am pretty sure that was the problem). I hope you’ll find this advice useful, I went through the same thing as you as I said 1.5 years ago and it’s very discouraging, especially when you’re used to being able to do those things. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs.  Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job. Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things: 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight. Thanks a lot! -JR

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs. Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job. Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things: 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight.

4-preventive exercises for the shins, used by coaches everywhere, esp. walking backward on the heels, lower leg stretches. 5-a training program that allows recovery and does not cause injury.  Esp. for carrying an extra 40-50 lbs and running on pavement. Check out runnersworld.com and other posts on selecting shoes, but keep in mind that this is oversimplified and driven by Shoe Mfr Marketing. If your local library carries Runner’s World magazine, then browse through past issues to learn about shoes and gain inspiration. Running store clerks, even in highly touted specialty running stores, are often mouthing the marketing level formula for selecting shoes.  An expensive way to learn about your particular needs, if you do not fit their model.  Maybe, if you meet the owner, longterm staff or extremely bright grad who takes an interest, you might get good help. Mailorder sources: good price, 30 day return, fast shipping, holabirdsports.com best service, great selection, great catalog, some specials, roadrunnersports.com

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Thanks to everyone for their comments and feedback!  It’s very much appreciated! As for my shin splints, the pain is on the actual shin part of both legs, not so much the ankle.  The pain runs from just above the top of my foot/ankle to the middle of my shins — the pain is in the front for the most part.  They literally feel like someone is bashing them with their knuckles when I run and just feel bruised today now that I’m not running and letting it heal until I can get myself a good pair of sneakers. A few of you mentioned Nikes aren’t good, well I’ve had a pair of Asics last year when I ran a few times and I could feel the pain starting then too.  I didn’t continue running so I didn’t think much of it.  But now that I’d like to start running 5-6 days a week, I’m pretty concerned. Thanks again for all the feedback. Please keep it coming if you have any other suggestions.  I’ll be taking everything into account and appreciate it greatly! -JR

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs. Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job. Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things: 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight. Thanks a lot! -JR

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Sounds very familiar!  And a big guy like myself.  I’ll definitely be keeping this shoe in mind.  Mizuno — when I played baseball it was my mit of preference.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was getting some bad shin splints and I ended up getting fitted by a running shoe professional (runners den here in phoenix, az) and I ended up with a pair of mizuno wave mercury’s.  Since then no leg pain.  However I would recommend that you go to a running shoe specific store (no footlocker) and get fitted based on your foot needs.  BTW I am 6′7"  285. I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs. Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job. Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things: 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight. Thanks a lot! -JR

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This is not simple going to be resolved by a pair of running shoes..

Maybe in your case, but I’ll bet any amount of money it is in his case. You are the exception, not the rule. As for what I use now, I use a neutral shoe, so I can slip in my orthotic. I happen to use NIKE Air peagus, despite all the anti-Nike nonsence on this newsgroup, it’s a good shoe, anyone disagree’s I’ll have them a race

If your using orthotics then you aren’t even running in stock Nikes, so there’s no comparison. Once you change the inserts to orthotics you are running in a custom shoe. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lastly, Shin Splint’s is an umbrealla term, like ‘Sore head’.  Find out what you have exactly. Good luck T I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs. Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job. Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things: 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight. Thanks a lot! -JR

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I was getting some bad shin splints and I ended up getting fitted by a running shoe professional (runners den here in phoenix, az) and I ended up with a pair of mizuno wave mercury’s.  Since then no leg pain.  However I would recommend that you go to a running shoe specific store (no footlocker) and get fitted based on your foot needs.  BTW I am 6′7"  285.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs. Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job. Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things: 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight. Thanks a lot! -JR

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Shin splint on which side of your  ankle? If it is on the inside of your ankle, it might be a stress fracture and a stress fracture is not as hard to deal with as some people make it sound. Heck, I talked to someone just last Sunday that had a stress fracture, in the same place I had one and he had to wear an "Air cast."  All I did was a few exercises and I was up and running again in no time. I’ve had shin splits on the outside of my ankle before, and they go away after one specific run that has two very steep up hills.  Unfortunately I can’t say that has worked for anyone else. Roger

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JR, I have not yet read the other responses to your email, so sorry if I repeat them.  I have had shin problems for 11 years.  I am just about over-coming it.  But it has been a long painful, annoying road.  In the last 5 years I have seen 17 physio’s and 3 podiarists.  Find out locally who is the best at both fields, if possible get them together and to agree on a solution. This is not simple going to be resolved by a pair of running shoes.. As for what I use now, I use a neutral shoe, so I can slip in my orthotic. I happen to use NIKE Air peagus, despite all the anti-Nike nonsence on this newsgroup, it’s a good shoe, anyone disagree’s I’ll have them a race Lastly, Shin Splint’s is an umbrealla term, like ‘Sore head’.  Find out what you have exactly. Good luck T

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs. Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job. Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things: 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight. Thanks a lot! -JR

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1. Your weight? Has some impact on the shin splints but is probably one of the least important. 2. Concrete/pavement? Unlikely 3. Sneakers? For the majority of runner the following would be suitable:- 1. Take a worn pair of shoes to a running shop and let them look at the soles to see how you foot moves on a normal stride pattern. They will advise the best type (Stability, motion control or cushioning) of shoe for you. Try as many different styles as possible to until you find one that feels OK. 2. Cut back the amount of running you do. Shin splints is an injury and need to heals. 3. Try not to run uphill too much. 4. Ice your shins after every run to reduce the inflammation. 5. When you can run your reduced mileage without pain, gradually increase you weekly mileage by 10% giving your muscles time to rest, strengthen and become accustomed to the workout. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs.  Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job. Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things: 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight. Thanks a lot! -JR

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First mistake: you bought Nikes. Buy a pair of Asics, Adidas, NB, Brooks, Saucony, any brand but Nikes. They are crap and the likely reason you’re injured now.  Go to a quality running shop where you can be tested and fitted for the right shoes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs.  Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job. Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things: 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight. Thanks a lot! -JR

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Shox are some of the most unstable shoes on the market today! DO NOT BUY NIKES!!!!! You can a much better shoe for much less money by buying one of the other top brands. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs. Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job. Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things: 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight. Thanks a lot! -JR go to a running store that can do stride analysis and they will tell you exactly what you need. I am no expert, but you seem to need a shoe with support and a shoe with cushion. The Nike Shox TL are great for people your size, but don’t have support, which it seems you need.

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I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs.  Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job. Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things: 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight. Thanks a lot! -JR

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs. Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job. Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things: 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight. Thanks a lot! -JR

go to a running store that can do stride analysis and they will tell you exactly what you need. I am no expert, but you seem to need a shoe with support and a shoe with cushion. The Nike Shox TL are great for people your size, but don’t have support, which it seems you need.

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I’m a 25-year-old male and recently started running and have developed a pretty bad case of shin splints.

First, welcome back. Second, you have my sympathy. I’m 6′4" 220 lbs and am curious what type of sneakers I should be looking to purchase.  I’m assuming that at 220 lbs, I’m going to need something with more support and cushion than a sneaker for someone that is 140 lbs.  Right now I’m wearing what I thought was a decent pair of Nike running sneakers, fairly new, but they’re not doing the job.

It’s going to be nigh onto impossible for someone on a Usenet forum to tell you a specific brand and type of shoe to get. Get thee to a real runner’ store (not a mall or Sports Authority type store). They should (?) be able to tell you what *type* of shoe you need. The brand is secondary (this is the point where some will chime in with brands to avoid). Unfortunately because I live in the city, most of my running is done on concrete and pavement and I’ve got a pretty massive case of shin splints, so bad today that I could only run for 10 minutes and was about to quit even a minute into it because the pain was so bad.

It’s been my experience (but may not be yours) that shin splints are due to tight calves. Once I had massaged/rolled my calves to loosen them, the splints went away. The shoes can have an effect but tight calves can override any effect of shoes for beginning runners. IMHO, running shouldn’t hurt (OK, there are a few exceptions but you should be able decide when it will hurt). Your description says that something basic is wrong. As a teenager that ran all the time and into college, I never experienced this until I started running again recently and I’m assuming it’s because of a combination of 3 things:

My guess is that you’re probably right. Interactions can be a bitch to isolate. Start with the simple stuff: I don’t know how old you are but if you’re over 40, forget that you ever ran as a youngster – you ain’t that person any more. Start easy and build up. I used to podium in high school and college but now am lucky (and happy) to finish vertical. 1-My height and weight (I’m 6′4" 220 lbs whereas when I used to run at 19 and 20 years old I was 6′4" 160-170 lbs) 2-the concrete/pavement 3-my sneakers

I also agree with you that concrete is not as good a surface as a trail but we live with the hand we were dealt. Deal with it. Or, another way of putting it is that we can learn to run efficiently on concrete if we pay attention to form/posture. Shoes are an important trhing. I’d appreciate any advice, especially if anyone knows of a good sneaker for someone of my weight.

The type of shoe will depend on whether you are an overpronator, a neutral, or a Martian. OK, I made that last one up. A real runner’s store should be able to help you determine what type of shoe you need (much more important than brand). Thanks a lot!

Any time. Let us know how it goes. Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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My guess is that you’re probably right. Interactions can be a bitch to isolate. Start with the simple stuff: I don’t know how old you are but if you’re over 40, forget that you ever ran as a youngster – you ain’t that person any more. Start easy and build up. I used to podium in high school and college but now am lucky (and happy) to finish vertical.

Damn, it’s obvious that *I’m* over 40. You mentioned that you were 25. At 25, you should still be able to take some of the stuff you used in high school and college and use it now – AFTER you’ve developed a base. You’ll be able to build a base much quicker and easier than someone, well, my age (damn you <G). Sorry for the miscommunication on my part. Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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