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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Matthew Kavanaugh) writes: According to the shoe review in Runner’s World (Oct. Issue) and Running Times article (same month), the new Nike Footscape model is based on foot data from many runners and is wider (FINALLY!!) in the forefoot and snug in the heel.  Also has a unique side lacing system to make the upper very form-fitted.  To go on sale in Nov.  Apparently Nike is listening, or at least trying to reach those of us with wider feet. I have run exclusively in Asics and Nike also for about the last ten years, and have found that Asics seem to fit normally on me at 10.5, but the Nike varies widely and wildly with the make. For example, the cross trainers 10.5 is like a rock climbing shoe–TIGHT–but the 11 is too big. The Air pegasus seems to have more room in the toe box, but the new windrunners I bought have a miniscule one. Also, I have found that training for a marathon has apparently increased my foot size–I recenlty measured them on the chart at Foot Locker and found that I am now, according to them, a size 11. I’ve been 10.5 since beginning high school. Perhaps some letters to Nike, naw, they probably don’t care…. — Matthew Kavanaugh Los Angeles 213.891.5449 "The race is not to the swift, but to those who keep on running."

Nikes’ do run small, from 1.2 size in Mad Max, to 1 cfull size in Air Max 2…..the best time to buy shoes is in the late afternoon, the foot is about as big as it’s gonna get, then. — "There are laws in most states and countries requiring that health care professionals be licensed as qualified in the field of care which they provide. I have not been licensed as a health care professional. Therefore, I may not give you any advice nor may I promise or offer to alleviate any pain or physical condition. If you feel you need that kind of care, go see a health care professional."

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This thread has been going on for a while, and I’m sure we can all agree that NIKE RUNNING SHOES DO RUN SMALL!!  I’ve worn Nike 10s (just fit) for years, but now this is impossible.  So the obvious solution is to buy the bigger size, right?   Well for women like me with size ten feet, this is not that easy because most stores don’t carry ladies shoes bigger than ten.  And since I need good shoes for plantar fasciitis as well as good heel and arch support, Nike only carries one model (can’t remember the name now, but the running store is trying to order it for me) that is ideal.  They have been trying daily for the last 3 weeks, with no luck because the Nike warehouses are gearing up for the new shoe season and they don’t carry 10 1/2 in the old model.  And since my feet are narrow, men’s sizes are inappropiate. THIS IS A REAL BUMMER!! What can we in rec.running do to petition Nike to make more standard shoe sizes?  For me to have to wait until the end of November to get a new pair of running shoes is ridiculous.  I’ve been a diehard Nike running shoe fan for over 10 years, but now I’ve hit a brick wall. Are any of the Nike manufacturers reading?  Do they even care?? Can I get some support for a petition from other disgruntled Nike wearers? Denise Carty, tired feet.

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I had the same problem with Nike Air Pegasus.  I bought a pair in the same size as I had worn for over 10 years (didn’t try them on, didn’t really think I’d need to).  Well.  BIG MISTAKE.  First of all,  ALWAYS TRY THEM ON!!!  Even if you’ve worn the same size and style for years and years, ALWAYS TRY THEM ON!!!  Because the Pegasus is running smaller these days and because I didn’t try them on before, I ended up with an irritating case of achilles tendinitis.  One runner posted a message mentioning the shoe rubbing against the achilles tendon area could cause the problem.  I’m convinced this was the problem. My mileage hadn’t increased dramatically…although over-use could still be the culprit.  BUT…the problem showed up within a week of running in the new shoes (which I thought were a bit tight).  I bought a pair of Pegasus one size up and have been easing back into running…with NO ACHILLES PROBLEMS.  (I did take a month off, though.) The moral is:  ALWAYS TRY SHOES ON BEFORE YOU BUY THEM!!! For some reason, the Pegasus (and possibly other Nike shoes) are running smaller than they used to. clc

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According to the shoe review in Runner’s World (Oct. Issue) and Running Times article (same month), the new Nike Footscape model is based on foot data from many runners and is wider (FINALLY!!) in the forefoot and snug in the heel.  Also has a unique side lacing system to make the upper very form-fitted.  To go on sale in Nov.  Apparently Nike is listening, or at least trying to reach those of us with wider feet. I have run exclusively in Asics and Nike also for about the last ten years, and have found that Asics seem to fit normally on me at 10.5, but the Nike varies widely and wildly with the make. For example, the cross trainers 10.5 is like a rock climbing shoe–TIGHT–but the 11 is too big. The Air pegasus seems to have more room in the toe box, but the new windrunners I bought have a miniscule one. Also, I have found that training for a marathon has apparently increased my foot size–I recenlty measured them on the chart at Foot Locker and found that I am now, according to them, a size 11. I’ve been 10.5 since beginning high school. Perhaps some letters to Nike, naw, they probably don’t care….

– Matthew Kavanaugh Los Angeles 213.891.5449 "The race is not to the swift, but to those who keep on running."

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Actually, I find that Nike shoes run fast

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been also running for about 12 years and mostly with Nikes. Always had size 10.5 . My old Air Pegasus are 10.5s  but my new ones are marked 11s.  Sole to sole they are the same length.  So not only is there a variation in brands, there is a variation within a brand and style. Jerry I’ve gone from size 12 to 13 in Nikes for the same fit. Definitely smaller in my case as all other new shoes have stayed at size 12. Regards, "Countries used to be judged on weapons and money. Now it’s moving bits"

I’ve been running with Nike size 9.5 for most the past 15 years and I’ve been buying Nike Air Pegasus for 6+ years.  Last month, I bought my 8th pair but this time I got a size 10 because my 9.5s where definitely too tight when I tried some new non-cotton thicker socks.  The salesperson said I was borderline 9.5/10 anyway and yes Nike does run small but it can depend on the style.  That’s why you really should have your foot measured and ask for help. Are they running even smaller lately?  Maybe, but I don’t know how gradually it’s happened.  Maybe my previous pair just stretched more because they were tight, but my new size 10s fit fine even with the non-thick socks.  The store said 1/2 size only adds 1/8th of an inch to the length in the Pegasus. Doug Parsons Merrimack, NH

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Maybe there’s more variation in mens’, I’ don’t know…I just know that the womens’ brands all fit the same on me, with that one exception. JOan

I have been also running for about 12 years and mostly with Nikes. Always had size 10.5 . My old Air Pegasus are 10.5s  but my new ones are marked 11s.  Sole to sole they are the same length.  So not only is there a variation in brands, there is a variation within a brand and style. Jerry

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I find this interesting.  I find all running shoes run small.  My normal shoe size is 7.5.  I take a 10 or 10.5 in running shoes.  And I have found that they all have gotten smaller (I used to take 9 or 9.5 in shoes).  I just bought my first pair of nike – and each style was cut different.  I found the lights to fit me best and were cut the biggest.   (this is for women’s sneakers).   Also, this might sound silly, but I don’t really look at size, I look for room in the toe.  Especially if I am running long distances I look for an inch in between my toe and the tip of the shoe.  I have never lost a nail.

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I have been also running for about 12 years and mostly with Nikes. Always had size 10.5 . My old Air Pegasus are 10.5s  but my new ones are marked 11s.  Sole to sole they are the same length.  So not only is there a variation in brands, there is a variation within a brand and style. Jerry

I’ve gone from size 12 to 13 in Nikes for the same fit. Definitely smaller in my case as all other new shoes have stayed at size 12. Regards, "Countries used to be judged on weapons and money. Now it’s moving bits"

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I’ve run for 12 years or so, mostly in Nike, and have always been a 7.5 in every shoe I bought for them, except for the Air Huarache. I’m a 7.5 in other shoes (dress, etc.).  The Air Huarache definitlely runs small, b/c it’s the only shoe I’ve ever been an 8 in! Maybe there’s more variation in mens’, I’ don’t know…I just know that the womens’ brands all fit the same on me, with that one exception. JOan

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I aggree. Nikes were fitting to my unusually shaped feet very comfortably a couple years ago. But now they don’t fit well. My foot size is 9.5 and 9.5 nikes are small and 10 is big. By the way I have question about the numbers on Nike shooes. Following the style number there is a three digit number like 101 (some have numbers 401, 141 etc.). Does anybody know  what these numbers mean. I tries  a nike yesterday same style with different numbers (101 and 401). They fit differently.

: My experience has been Nikes always run 1/2 to 1 size small.  Brooks run : small too. — .o0o.___.o0o.___.o0o.___.o0o.___.o0o.___.o0o.___.o0o.___.o0o.___.o0o.___.o0 o.         _    0___           _/__ |/        I am against DEATH       //////               /|  but DEATH is a required COURSE | _ _ |        |     Olcay Boz  Lehigh University EECS Dept. Ph. D. Student      |        |     phone : (610) 758-1886 (home)  (908) 457-3994 (office)      |         to cover the matter.

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Don’t try running in your Triax shoes if they crunch your toes–I also thought they would stretch and as a consequence got three blue toes!

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I have worn Nike Hightops in size 13 for years with no problem, but when I started running and bought a pair of the Structure Triax shoe, my toes were a bit crunched. The next size was clearly too large, so I am hoping they will stretch a little with time.  We need to let Nike marketing know by sending back the reply card with the new shoes, who knows?

My son and I have both noticed Nike running shoes run a size smaller than stated. We are both up a size in from any other shoes we own. It’s the only pair of 13’s I own. Everything else is 12’s. Regards, "Countries used to be judged on weapons and money. Now it’s moving bits"

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I have run exclusively in Asics and Nike also for about the last ten years, and have found that Asics seem to fit normally on me at 10.5, but the Nike varies widely and wildly with the make. For example, the cross trainers 10.5 is like a rock climbing shoe–TIGHT–but the 11 is too big. The Air pegasus seems to have more room in the toe box, but the new windrunners I bought have a miniscule one. Also, I have found that training for a marathon has apparently increased my foot size–I recenlty measured them on the chart at Foot Locker and found that I am now, according to them, a size 11. I’ve been 10.5 since beginning high school. Perhaps some letters to Nike, naw, they probably don’t care….

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My experience has been Nikes always run 1/2 to 1 size small.  Brooks run small too.

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I have worn Nike Hightops in size 13 for years with no problem, but when I started running and bought a pair of the Structure Triax shoe, my toes were a bit crunched. The next size was clearly too large, so I am hoping they will stretch a little with time.  We need to let Nike marketing know by sending back the reply card with the new shoes, who knows?

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ASICS uses European sizes which are always the same length. Look at the box of any size that fits you and make sure your next pair is the same length. ASICS and Nike both have different lengths in the same size when buying different models.  12 or 9 means nothing to the oriental who is making them.  Jeri from Houston

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I have been running in Asics for years – probably 10 pairs of shoes – all size 11.   Just bought some Nike Air Max/Triax size 11 and have run about 100 miles in them. They are definitely crowding my toes.

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I’ve been running in Nikes and Asics exclusively for about 10 years now.  I have narrow heels so the Asics Gel Lights, and the Nike Huaraches are about the only shoes that I’ve found that fit. FWIW I’ve found that the Asics do have a larger Toe box than the Nikes.  This suspicion was confirmed for my yesterday by the find folks at Run Tex. Steve

: I have run in Nikes for years, and they seem to get smaller and : smaller, ( or my feet are are still growiing at 44 yrs old..) : Don’t know about Nike.  I’ve run in ASICs for years and I wear size 12

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I have run in Nikes for years, and they seem to get smaller and smaller, ( or my feet are are still growiing at 44 yrs old..)

I just bought my 8th pair of Nike’s last night (all some form of Air Max). Every other one was a 12 and fit.  My last one was a 12-1/2 (the 12’s were too small).  Maybe they *are* getting smaller. Mike

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I have run in Nikes for years, and they seem to get smaller and smaller, ( or my feet are are still growiing at 44 yrs old..) I normally wear 8.5 to 9 ( US) in a dress shoe. I recently bought a Skylon TRiax in size 10, and as a result of some long runs have a couple of balck toes. I then bought the cheaper Skylons in a 10.5, and tho there is a little room in the toe area, at least I wont loose the rest of my toenails. Don’t know about Nike.  I’ve run in ASICs for years and I wear size 12 122s.  But when I bought a pair of 123s, I had to buy size 13.  I got them home and compared the 122s against the 123s and they were the same length! Let the buyer beware.  There is no science in shoe sizes… Walt Cole

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Don’t know about Nike.  I’ve run in ASICs for years and I wear size 12 122s.  But when I bought a pair of 123s, I had to buy size 13.  I got them home and compared the 122s against the 123s and they were the same length!  Let the buyer beware.  There is no science in shoe sizes… Walt Cole

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I purchased my Nike Air Maxs a half-size larger as usual and they felt comfortable. Lately, though, I noticed the toe box feeling a bit snug. Maybe it wasn’t noticable when purchased, or has there been a bit of shrinkage???  I don’t run excessive miles and have not run in the rain, but these N. Texas summers have caused a lot of sweating and the shoes get pretty moist.  I have taken to putting shoe trees in them after running and even wrapped some extra padding around the toe box area of the tree to keep them stretched (or give them a bit more stretch) in that area.  Overall, I like the shoes although I haven’t put a lot of miles on them yet.   Any thoughts about the pro or cons of using shoe trees like this.  Expense-wise, I really don’t want (can’t) to go out and purchase new shoes. Rick Berkobien, The Arc http://www.metronet.com/~thearc/welcome.html

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Nike shoes run almost a full size small.  No matter what shoe you should go a half size up.

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I’ve been back to running for about a year now & still searching for the perfect shoe. Do the Nikes tend to run small compared to a dress shoe of the same size? Thanks

At 9.5 my arches and heel say no.  However my three bruised, blood blistered and blackend toenails scream yes.  However, I had to get a size 10 in a Reebook to fix this.  For Nike I had to go up a full size to 10.5 FWIW Keep Running….

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 I’ve been back to running for about a year now & still searching for the  perfect shoe. Do the Nikes tend to run small compared to a dress shoe of the  same size? Thanks

I just bought a pair of Nikes in size 9 (US). I normally wear a size 7.5 or 8 in other shoes.

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 I’ve been back to running for about a year now & still searching for the  perfect shoe. Do the Nikes tend to run small compared to a dress shoe of the  same size? Thanks  Randy Coffman

Last year I bought a pair of Reeboks that were a size 10.5 USA the UK size was 9.5, I like the shoes alot so I looked at our Reebok outlet and found the same shoes this year. I decided to try them on before I purchased them and found that the new pair seemed smaller.  Since I had the old pair on I look at the inside label and found that both pair were 10.5 USA but the old pair was a 9.5 UK and the new pair was 9 UK. Since then I always look at the UK size to see if it 9.5, they seem to fit me the best.  How can a 10.5 USA be a 9.5 UK and a 9 UK?

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 I’ve been back to running for about a year now & still searching for the  perfect shoe. Do the Nikes tend to run small compared to a dress shoe of the  same size? Thanks

Perhaps they do.  I recently bought my second pair of Nike Air Max Triax, and although I usually wear size 11, I had to buy 11.5.  Now I’m thinking that I might need a size 12 since my new shoes still feel a little tight.

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Since their 10th anniversary Pegasus, Nike has been making their shoes about a half size smaller. Either that or my feet are getting bigger in my old age. They are still smaller than standard street shoes, in my opinion.  I have been running in Nikes since the blue and yellow Waffle trainer, and they are definitely smaller.

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I’ve been back to running for about a year now & still searching for the perfect shoe. Do the Nikes tend to run small compared to a dress shoe of the same size? Thanks

The Nikes are known to have a small toe box.  I personally have to wear a larger Nike shoe to accomidate my ‘D’ (normal) width feet.  I would recommend another brand if you need a larger toe box. — Thomas J. Sleboda Electronic Packaging Research Center (GT-PRC) Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA, 30332

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DolphT: You are absolutely right.  I am a fan on Nikes, having run thousands of miles and many marathons in them; they fit my foot and are a qualtity product.  Nevertheless,  I generally find that I run about two sizes larger in Nikes than my dress shoes for work.  Also remember that the longer distances you run (half marathon and greater), add another extra half size on, otherwise your toenails will succumb to rubbing the top of your shoes and you will part with them.

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I’ve been back to running for about a year now & still searching for the perfect shoe. Do the Nikes tend to run small compared to a dress shoe of the same size? Thanks

Randy, For me they do. I wear a 12 in everything else and a 13 now in Nike. That didn’t use to be the case. I wonder what happened to cause this? It had to be deliberate.?? Regards, "Countries used to be judged on weapons and money. Now it’s moving bits"

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I think Nike shoes do run small, but I like them anyway. I wear a 9 1/2 street shoe and a 10 1/2 in most running shoes. But I wear an 11 in the Nike Air Max. It’s among my two or three favorite shoes.

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I’ve been back to running for about a year now & still searching for the perfect shoe. Do the Nikes tend to run small compared to a dress shoe of the same size? Thanks Randy Coffman

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