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Bill Rogers says he never said so an that I must be on acid. Who knows?

Actually I think my comment was to the effect that they all pretty much use slave labor. Viagra Bill

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Bill Rogers says he never said so an that I must be on acid. Who knows? I can’t find the thread anyway. Check out the link all the same. If you can be bothered. J

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also swallowed the New Balance story until BillRodgers from rec.running claimned that NB were made in Thailand, too. So I looked into the matter. He was wrong. At least prior to 2002 NB were being made in Chna. For a fairly horrific description of the factory involved, go to http://www.chinalaborwatch.org/reports/021025nike.htm. Jonathan. If you can offer a solution to the problems of the inequities of this world, vis-a-vis the re-distribution of income, education and opportunity, I, and the other 1 trillion of us, wait to hear from you.   Otherwise, perhaps you’d consider leaving your bleeding heart at the door when you enter rec.running.   You stink of hypocrisy and of privilege abused.   And I don’t like that smell. The issue of whether to buy products which have been produced in appalling conditions in developing countires has always been a difficult one. While I accept some of the points you make, I feel that a company which tries to ensure good working conditions for its employees should also be rewarded. I know nothing about New Balance other than what I’ve seen on the internet, but the fact that they have a large factory in the UK means that those workers at least will have regulated working conditions.  For example if there are noxious fumes from adhesives, I believe that UK workplace regulations will impose conditions on the manufacturer to provide extraction systems so that the workers are not poisoned.  They are also subject to a maximum working week and a minimum wage.  Unfortunately the same cannot be said for workers in poor countries. My hope is that if enough people pressurise certain companies to ensure their workers in developing countries get decent pay and conditions, then they may eventually realise it’s in their own interests to do something about it. Should you be interested, I’ve pasted below an extract from the New Balance UK site. — Slartibartfast To reply by email, remove the FJORDS from my address In 1993 Modular Manufacturing (teamwork) systems were introduced, which meant more efficient production and better quality control. With this, system versatility was improved with employees trained on more than one job in the factory, which meant a more varied day’s work for them, and tighter quality control for the product. When the factory moved in 1991, production was around 2-3,000 pairs a week. Production has steadily increased as demand for New Balance shoes has grown throughout Europe. The factory handcrafts almost all New Balance running shoes and heritage classics, and has recently introduced the technology to begin manufacturing styles from the popular cross training fitness range. More and more styles are increasingly becoming ‘UK made’ as factory capacity expands, currently making over 80% of all New Balance shoes on sale in the UK. In 1993 the factory was making 4,771 pairs of New Balance shoes a week. This increased to 7,403 by 1996 and to 9,787 by 1998. It is currently making around 20,000 pairs of shoes a week with demand for even more and will break the one million pair per year barrier in 2003. The recent construction of a new 21,500 square foot warehouse enables production to be increased to an amazing 25,000 pairs of New Balance running shoes a week, by the end of 2003. The UK factory is a real success story, continuing to grow as demand increases. However, there are some things that stay the same – many of the associates! New Balance Europe works hard to keep it’s employees, and many employees have been with NB since 1982 when the first NB manufacturing facility in the UK opened its doors. New Balance Europe (UK) hopes to continue to experience favourable growth in the domestic manufacturing arena, and plans to continue to provide stable employment for the people of Maryport and the surrounding towns.

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And, if you believe this BS http://www.chinalaborwatch.org/reports/021025nike.htm. you are as dumb as Siderham. Viagra Bill

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maybe it was another of your persona or a blood relative or something j – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also swallowed the New Balance story until BillRodgers from rec.running claimned that NB were made in Thailand, too. So I looked into the matter. He was wrong. You are on acid, I NEVER said that. Viagra Bill

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I also swallowed the New Balance story until BillRodgers from rec.running claimned that NB were made in Thailand, too. So I looked into the matter. He was wrong.

You are on acid, I NEVER said that. Viagra Bill

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I also swallowed the New Balance story until BillRodgers from rec.running claimned that NB were made in Thailand, too. So I looked into the matter. He was wrong. At least prior to 2002 NB were being made in Chna. For a fairly horrific description of the factory involved, go to http://www.chinalaborwatch.org/reports/021025nike.htm. Jonathan.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you can offer a solution to the problems of the inequities of this world, vis-a-vis the re-distribution of income, education and opportunity, I, and the other 1 trillion of us, wait to hear from you.   Otherwise, perhaps you’d consider leaving your bleeding heart at the door when you enter rec.running.   You stink of hypocrisy and of privilege abused.   And I don’t like that smell. The issue of whether to buy products which have been produced in appalling conditions in developing countires has always been a difficult one.  While I accept some of the points you make, I feel that a company which tries to ensure good working conditions for its employees should also be rewarded. I know nothing about New Balance other than what I’ve seen on the internet, but the fact that they have a large factory in the UK means that those workers at least will have regulated working conditions.  For example if there are noxious fumes from adhesives, I believe that UK workplace regulations will impose conditions on the manufacturer to provide extraction systems so that the workers are not poisoned.  They are also subject to a maximum working week and a minimum wage.  Unfortunately the same cannot be said for workers in poor countries. My hope is that if enough people pressurise certain companies to ensure their workers in developing countries get decent pay and conditions, then they may eventually realise it’s in their own interests to do something about it. Should you be interested, I’ve pasted below an extract from the New Balance UK site. — Slartibartfast To reply by email, remove the FJORDS from my address In 1993 Modular Manufacturing (teamwork) systems were introduced, which meant more efficient production and better quality control. With this, system versatility was improved with employees trained on more than one job in the factory, which meant a more varied day’s work for them, and tighter quality control for the product. When the factory moved in 1991, production was around 2-3,000 pairs a week. Production has steadily increased as demand for New Balance shoes has grown throughout Europe. The factory handcrafts almost all New Balance running shoes and heritage classics, and has recently introduced the technology to begin manufacturing styles from the popular cross training fitness range. More and more styles are increasingly becoming ‘UK made’ as factory capacity expands, currently making over 80% of all New Balance shoes on sale in the UK. In 1993 the factory was making 4,771 pairs of New Balance shoes a week. This increased to 7,403 by 1996 and to 9,787 by 1998. It is currently making around 20,000 pairs of shoes a week with demand for even more and will break the one million pair per year barrier in 2003. The recent construction of a new 21,500 square foot warehouse enables production to be increased to an amazing 25,000 pairs of New Balance running shoes a week, by the end of 2003. The UK factory is a real success story, continuing to grow as demand increases. However, there are some things that stay the same – many of the associates! New Balance Europe works hard to keep it’s employees, and many employees have been with NB since 1982 when the first NB manufacturing facility in the UK opened its doors. New Balance Europe (UK) hopes to continue to experience favourable growth in the domestic manufacturing arena, and plans to continue to provide stable employment for the people of Maryport and the surrounding towns.

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If you can offer a solution to the problems of the inequities of this world, vis-a-vis the re-distribution of income, education and opportunity, I, and the other 1 trillion of us, wait to hear from you.   Otherwise, perhaps you’d consider leaving your bleeding heart at the door when you enter rec.running.   You stink of hypocrisy and of privilege abused.   And I don’t like that smell.

The issue of whether to buy products which have been produced in appalling conditions in developing countires has always been a difficult one.  While I accept some of the points you make, I feel that a company which tries to ensure good working conditions for its employees should also be rewarded.  I know nothing about New Balance other than what I’ve seen on the internet, but the fact that they have a large factory in the UK means that those workers at least will have regulated working conditions.  For example if there are noxious fumes from adhesives, I believe that UK workplace regulations will impose conditions on the manufacturer to provide extraction systems so that the workers are not poisoned.  They are also subject to a maximum working week and a minimum wage.  Unfortunately the same cannot be said for workers in poor countries. My hope is that if enough people pressurise certain companies to ensure their workers in developing countries get decent pay and conditions, then they may eventually realise it’s in their own interests to do something about it. Should you be interested, I’ve pasted below an extract from the New Balance UK site. — Slartibartfast To reply by email, remove the FJORDS from my address In 1993 Modular Manufacturing (teamwork) systems were introduced, which meant more efficient production and better quality control. With this, system versatility was improved with employees trained on more than one job in the factory, which meant a more varied day’s work for them, and tighter quality control for the product. When the factory moved in 1991, production was around 2-3,000 pairs a week. Production has steadily increased as demand for New Balance shoes has grown throughout Europe. The factory handcrafts almost all New Balance running shoes and heritage classics, and has recently introduced the technology to begin manufacturing styles from the popular cross training fitness range. More and more styles are increasingly becoming ‘UK made’ as factory capacity expands, currently making over 80% of all New Balance shoes on sale in the UK. In 1993 the factory was making 4,771 pairs of New Balance shoes a week. This increased to 7,403 by 1996 and to 9,787 by 1998. It is currently making around 20,000 pairs of shoes a week with demand for even more and will break the one million pair per year barrier in 2003. The recent construction of a new 21,500 square foot warehouse enables production to be increased to an amazing 25,000 pairs of New Balance running shoes a week, by the end of 2003. The UK factory is a real success story, continuing to grow as demand increases. However, there are some things that stay the same – many of the associates! New Balance Europe works hard to keep it’s employees, and many employees have been with NB since 1982 when the first NB manufacturing facility in the UK opened its doors. New Balance Europe (UK) hopes to continue to experience favourable growth in the domestic manufacturing arena, and plans to continue to provide stable employment for the people of Maryport and the surrounding towns.

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I gotta ask ya. Is it true that a troll’s penis is really hairy?

Mine isn’t, I shave it.

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Yes he is. Do you know what it’s like  waking up with a sore butt, KY jelly tube, and a condom wrapper (of course you do…) next to you, then finding out it was Roidger?

That is bad. Bill, I gotta ask ya. Is it true that a troll’s penis is really hairy? Mr. Brown Howard Dean M.D. for America.

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sick

Yes he is. Do you know what it’s like  waking up with a sore butt, KY jelly tube, and a condom wrapper (of course you do…) next to you, then finding out it was Roidger?

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I never had a tumor (correct spelling) that left behind a condom wrapper and an empty tube of KY jelly before.

sick what john wants john gets Mr. Brown Howard Dean M.D. for America.

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Now who’s drinking at *my* pond?

Squeak, squeak.

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Roger <lovin’ you more with each day that passes…

That explains why my ass hurt when I woke up this morning.

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And I don’t like that smell. I think it’s your crotch you’re smelling.

He has to wear nose clips when he sits down. Mr. Brown Howard Dean M.D. for America.

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Roger <lovin’ you more with each day that passes… That explains why my ass hurt when I woke up this morning.

No, that’s your tumour. Roger.

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sorry to hear that. i thought that their "thing" was that they are made in the states.  darn.

Just good PR for them, unfortuneately not a reality.

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No, that’s your tumour.

I never had a tumor (correct spelling) that left behind a condom wrapper and an empty tube of KY jelly before.

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Plus, they don’t exploit children in the production of the shoe…always a plus.

Bullcrappie! They all use the same manufacturing methods and countries.

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who would normally have to survive on the charity, or otherwise, of their government.

What kind of low-life, no-class, slimeball would do something like that? And I don’t like that smell.

I think it’s your crotch you’re smelling.

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What kind of low-life, no-class, slimeball would do something like that?

Let me guess.   A Wobbot? Roger <still doing these, still pissing you off

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Let me guess.   A Wobbot?

You are sp predictable, lead you to water and you drank it. LOL! And damn proud of it too! Roger <still doing these, still pissing you off

Doing exactly what I expected you to do pisses me off? You certainly are amusing in this new, fat, angry, old man act.

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You are sp predictable, lead you to water and you drank it. LOL! And damn proud of it too!

I like to keep in your good books. Roger <still doing these, still pissing you off Doing exactly what I expected you to do pisses me off? You certainly are amusing in this new, fat, angry, old man act.

Now who’s drinking at *my* pond? Roger <lovin’ you more with each day that passes…

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I would suspect they are caught in the same dilemma as many other shoe makers, being competitive. How do we know is they are using 6 years olds or not?

How do we indeed, my little shoe-Nazi?   Have you ever considered what employment means to some of these six year olds in China or wherever?   Put simply, it means the opportunity for a life.   The ability to earn a wage, to contribute towards the support of their family, to possibly afford access to education at a later date, makes a difference that you are never likely to be in the position to appreciate, my over-fed, over-weight, over-pampered Yankee fool. Now I’m not trying to suggest that any of these shoe companies are engaging in anything other than the obscene exploitation of market forces.   However, the effect – whether intended or not – is to bring employment and income to an otherwise desolate populous, who would normally have to survive on the charity, or otherwise, of their government. If you can offer a solution to the problems of the inequities of this world, vis-a-vis the re-distribution of income, education and opportunity, I, and the other 1 trillion of us, wait to hear from you.   Otherwise, perhaps you’d consider leaving your bleeding heart at the door when you enter rec.running.   You stink of hypocrisy and of privilege abused.   And I don’t like that smell. Roger.

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Plus, they don’t exploit children in the production of the shoe…always a plus.

How do yo know this? They are also making some shoes outside the US. " Unfortunately, New Balance is not able to obtain all materials and components that are needed for the shoes produced in the United States. In some cases, they are simply not available. In other situations, economic and quality considerations dictate foreign sourcing. However, New Balance remains committed to providing jobs for American workers and to supporting domestic manufacturers and suppliers where possible." I would suspect they are caught in the same dilemma as many other shoe makers, being competitive. How do we know is they are using 6 years olds or not? — Caveat Lector "the further you go outside, the further you go inside" – B. McKibben Doug Freese

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