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Hi Tim- I do do some stretching in bed before rising. I think it does help some. I agree, it seems that the pace run has a lot of bearing on the injury. If I run too fast *or* too slow it aggravates it. Oddly, though, on the day after a long run is when it is the best! But, yep, I am also doing a lot of stretches for the lot of the back of the leg. I do know that I am naturally tight back there and that is a contributing factor. And I also use "The Stick" and roll the foot (tennis balls work too). Best of luck! I do hope we’ll both be hobbling a bit less soon! Teresa in AZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. Goals: STILL get over left foot PF, Me too. Did a 25 mile trail run yesterday with a friend just for fun and after I got home and showered my PF started really aching.  I got a bit worried that I’d *really* angered the injury gods but the pain settled as soon as I started walking round in my shoes again.  Something that I’ve found with mine is that for me, it’s speed that causes the most trouble, distance doesn’t seem to aggravate it as much. Anyway, while I was lying in bed this morning I could feel that characteristic tightness in the sole of my foot when I dorsiflexed it but I kept wiggling it for a while and when I did get up to make the coffee, I was pleasantly surprised to find that I hardly had any tenderness.  Quite what the significance of this little tale is I’m not sure but maybe there’s a case for doing some non-weightbearing stretching *before* you rise in the morning.  I’m certainly doing lots of soleus/gastronemius/Achilles/hamstring and plantar fascia stretches after *all* my runs now (something I never used to bother with) and touch wood, I think things are improving. Hope you get on top of yours too. Tim

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Tues- 8 miles Thurs- 16 miles – 2hrs 35min. While I felt good during this and I’m happy with the time, it’s too far for me right now. Two days later on Sat. I still felt stiff and had heavy legs taking the dog for a 15 minute jog. I don’t want to do any runs that I can still feel two days later, so I’m limiting runs to 13 miles or less for the near future. If that’s too far, I’ll cut back further. Sat- 5 mile walk. Sun- 10 miles, slow enough jog to be almost a walk. Trying to keep effort really low to make sure I continue to recover from last thurs. Goal for next week- avoid having knees lock up while sleeping. -J – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org www.absolutelyaccurate.com

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

mon:   0:30 biked, recovery tues:   0:40 ran, hr 135 wed:   1:10 biked, hr 137, 20 mins light tempo, weights thur:    0:40 ran, hr 152, 30 mins tempo fri:       off sat:     1:20 biked, hr 135, hilly sun:    0:50 ran, hr 148, flats, way too hot and humid Goals:  50k trail race in 2 weeks, 26k orienteering race in Oct. Recovery week after last long training run last Sunday (6 hrs+).  Legs were fine and recovering well until thursday, then I messed up and went a bit too hard. Overall my training has gone far better than expected.  My long run was a breakthrough.  Now the hard part – going easy the next 2 weeks without putting on a few pounds. – Tony

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

T – 4.5 miles – fartlek S – - total: 28 miles – highest ever weekly mileage. This was a good week. The calf pain that was bothering me last week seems to have disappeared. Mileage was the highest ever, tying my highest during my marathon training a few years ago. 8 miles was also my longest run in a couple of years. Felt much less tired than expected. Plan to keep mileage to around 25-30 miles for now. Goals: Am kind of considering a 5K in September. I think I might be able to do 19:30 or thereabouts. Still want to do a sub-19 5K and a sub-5 mile by the end of the year. jobs

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

M: 3.4 mi T: off W: 3.4 mi Th: off F: 3.4 mi Sa: 2.0 mi Su: play ultimate for 3.0 hrs. wu 3x.5mi cd 0 Total mileage:  13.7 mi Pretty happy with getting all of my running mileage in while heading back to classes.  Sucked at getting on the bike this week. On Friday, I began house-sitting across town.  This place is about 45 minutes farther from work & 40 minutes farther from school.  Plus I have to add in another 1hr of daily chores.  So this week will likely be even tougher.  Oh well…that’s what weekends are for. Goals this week M: Run 5.0 miles around park T: Ultimate & sprints? W: off Th: off Fr: 3.5 miles Sa: 3.5 miles Su: 3.5 miles Total mileage – 15.5 mi

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

Goals:        100m Santa Barbara 10/2         800m Long Beach 10/17         Arturo Barrios 5K 10/24 Sun:  Travel DNR Mon:  4 X 30 flying (3.00), 10 min rest Tue    Weights Wed: 2M beach, barefoot (11:06) Thu:  6 X 100 (11.7 ave) 60 sec rest Fri     2.5M beach, barefoot (14:33) Sat    Weights Sun:  4 X 30 flying (2.86), 10 min rest This was the second of 3 weeks in maximum velocity phase.  Peak speed should be showing up over the next couple of weeks, then taper/speed endurance.  Upper body weights go to maintenance after the coming week. Lyndon "Speed Kills…It kills those that don’t have it!"  –US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. Goals: STILL get over left foot PF,

Me too. Did a 25 mile trail run yesterday with a friend just for fun and after I got home and showered my PF started really aching.  I got a bit worried that I’d *really* angered the injury gods but the pain settled as soon as I started walking round in my shoes again.  Something that I’ve found with mine is that for me, it’s speed that causes the most trouble, distance doesn’t seem to aggravate it as much. Anyway, while I was lying in bed this morning I could feel that characteristic tightness in the sole of my foot when I dorsiflexed it but I kept wiggling it for a while and when I did get up to make the coffee, I was pleasantly surprised to find that I hardly had any tenderness.  Quite what the significance of this little tale is I’m not sure but maybe there’s a case for doing some non-weightbearing stretching *before* you rise in the morning.  I’m certainly doing lots of soleus/gastronemius/Achilles/hamstring and plantar fascia stretches after *all* my runs now (something I never used to bother with) and touch wood, I think things are improving. Hope you get on top of yours too. Tim —

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

M: run 3.4 mi T: off W: run 3.4 mi Th: off F: run 3.4 mi Sa: run 2 miles Su: play ultimate for 3 hours in hat tournament, warm-up 2x.5 mi, no c.d. Total mileage: 13.2 miles Pretty happy with my mileage and classes.  Various factors made biking not an option this week. On Friday I began house-sitting for my parents.  This increases my morning commute by 45 minutes, increases my drive home from classes by 30 minutes, and means an hour+ of daily chores (dog, horse, flower beds, gardens) that I don’t have to do living in a small apartment with no animals. Hopefully, I can fit everything in. ~becca

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Toss the Brooks, they have a very short life compared to other brands. They almost certainbly contributed to your knee troubles.

Next time.

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Next time.

Translation to english please? Brooks are good shoes until they prematurely self-destruct on you. If the truth hurts, get your hand out of your pants.

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Next time. Translation to english please? Brooks are good shoes until they prematurely self-destruct on you. If the truth hurts, get your hand out of your pants.

Sorry, but I bought a new pair yesterday, before consulting rec.running for your advice.  Maybe I can go back to the store to exchange them. I’ll tell them that Bill Rogers told me they suck.  I will. If they don’t take them back, I’ll run 299 miles in this new pair and try something else.  I really liked the last pair, which is why I bought them again. There was a pair of Asics that felt exactly like these do.  How many steps do you predict I’ll get out of them?

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

Goals: STILL get over left foot PF, Saguaro Nat’l Park 8-mi on Sept 6th, Tinfoilman sprint tri Oct 17th (my first). Mon: 5.45 mi @ 9:07 pace. Overcast, mid-80’s today with a       SW wind. Foot pretty good today Tue: 6.3 mi @ 8:30 pace. Overcast, windy, hi 70’s! (In Tucson       in August!!) Foot a little achy towards the end, but not       bad. Wed: 5.25 mi @ 9:59 pace. Quite warm and dry today, what a       difference. Possibly end of monsoon season. Did Pilates       ball ab workout in PM. Thurs: 3.45 mi @ 9:11 pace. Mid-90’s and drier yet. Foot good.       weights workout in PM. Fri: rest day, ahhhh Sat: 15.42 mi avg 9:29 pace. Fairly warm and muggy. Foot good       first 10 miles, then got tired (I think arch sag made it       harder). Also might have gotten slightly dehydrated. Was       warmer and humider than I realized when I set out, first       12 miles was at 9:20 pace. Then I slowed some on purpose. Total: 35.87 mi YEAR TOTAL (reached 52 weeks in logbook): 1393.43 mi, with 4              weeks completely off (so avg’d 29 mi/wk). Slighlty              less mileage than last yeat (1403), but last year              I only took one week off. Teresa in AZ

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Mon     08/23   2.2 mi  11:12/mi Tue     08/24   3.2 mi  11:45/mi Wed     08/25   dnr Thu     08/26   dnr     Fri     08/27   dnr – planned to run, too hot & humid & smoggy Sat     08/28   6:30AM  2.4 mi   12:41/mi  Hot and muggy already                 8:30PM  1.4 mi   12:06/mi Sun     08/29   3.7 mi   12:34/mi Goals: 1.) Build Miles Per Week and Time On Legs           (20 mi per wk by November) 2.) Have some fun:  5K Sept. 12;  5K Oct. 2. Well, I started running in January, got sick and re-started end of February.  Ran a total of 19 miles in March, 29 in April, 32 in May, 39 in June, 47 in July, and with Tuesday’s run will be over 50 for August.  That looks like progress, anyway. — Daniel

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Toss the Brooks, they have a very short life compared to other brands. They almost certainbly contributed to your knee troubles.

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Last Sunday was a great run, even getting bitten by a dog 3/4 the way through couldn’t ruin my stride.  After the trip to the ER for tetanus, rabies IG, rabies vaccine, and Augmentin, I noticed some pain developing in my left knee.  I thought it was probably from the run, it was a longer and faster tempo run than I had done yet.  I also have been suspecting that my shoes were wearing out.  The soles are showing a lot of wear for having only 300 miles on them (this is a new shoe for me…Brooks Adrenaline GTS).  Anyway,  I took two days off, the knee pain was gone by Tuesday night and I did a nice, pain free run on Wednesday morning.  As soon as I stopped running and untied my shoes, my knee started hurting, just a little.  Later that day was my second rabies vaccination and I woke Thursday with pain again.  Friday felt great, ran again, I did one section of the run faster than I’ve done to date.  Saturday, did a hangover run, deliberately slow, still no pain, even after the run.  Sunday I got a new pair of shoes, and had my third rabies vaccination.  I woke up this morning, walking down the stairs was painful, and I could hear stuff moving around in my knee.  Sat on the couch drinking coffee, icing my knee, and feeling sorry for myself for not being able to run in my new freekin’ shoes. Looked up the side effects for rabies vaccination, sure enough, arthralgia.  I have an appointment with my doc tomorrow to see what to do next. m dnr, knee pain. t dnr, knee pain. w 6.63mi, 61:08, always hilly, slight knee pain after run. r knee pain. f 6.63, 56:11, fast sections, no pain. s 9.15mi, 90:06, hangover, no knee pain. s dnr.

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

Goal for the week: Increase mileage (as little as possible). Goal for later: 8 K race on 11th Sept. Mo: 11.1 K Fr: 3.3 K Sa: 4.4 K Su: 2.8 K Total: 21.6 K (2K, or 10%, up from last week) Bjorn

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Goals:  Run under 17:00 in the 5k and under 4:20 in the 1500m by July 2005. Su      4       30:42 Mo      DNR     Tu      4       31:18 We      4       2 mile race in 11:43. Th      4       29:14 Fr      4       29:05 Sa      4       28:44 Week: 24 miles Good week overal. Ed

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Goal: Miles and LT work for NYCM Mon: DNR Tue: 6 easy/4 easy Wed: 12 Thu: 7 easy Fri: 14.2 Sat: 7 easy w/6×100m strides Total 65.1

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Goals: 4 mile race Wednesday, 10 mile race Saturday, Half Marathon next month, Marathon October, Ultra next March. Mon: 8 miles Tue: 8 miles incl 4 x 1k repeats Wed: 8 miles Thurs: 8 miles Fri: 8 miles Sat: rest Sun: Half Marathon, 1:46. Total: 53 miles — Colm

: Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training : week and goals.

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Sun: Off.  Start of taper for Malibu Bulldog 50k Mon:  1:00  –  20 min w/u, 5 x 1:30 every 4 min, 5k+ pace. Tue:  0:50  – 20 min w/u, 5 x 1:30 every 4 min., 5k+ pace. Wed: 0:40