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If you really love cushioning, you might try the NB 879.  I have been running in 879’s and their predecessors for about 5 years now and I can’t imagine much more cushioning in a shoe. For what it’s worth, I am considering moving to something with less cushioning in the near future, because I am no longer convinced that cushioning is where the action is (but that is perhaps a long story). Brian Jones

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been running for about fifteen years.  I started out in Nike Pegasus which worked well but they discontinued them and then every time I found another model I liked Nike discontinued it also after a year or so.  I finally got disgusted with Nike because of this and said, no more Nikes.  I tried Asics but they didn’t seem to provide as much cushioning.  I’m running in new balance now and am pretty satisfied but my feet bother me some.  I suppose I’m considered a heavy runner at six ft and about 175 lbs.  What I’m looking for is the ultimate in cushioning, any suggestions? I’ve been running in NB shoes for 20 years, and have always been looking for that "PERFECT SHOE".  This year I am trying out the NB1220 and of all the NB shoes I’ve tried in the past, this is so far the "PERFECT SHOE".  I’m 6ft. 195lb. Kelly Lee

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I have just wearing the Reebok Premiere after years of New Balance and love the new Reeboks. The toe box is great, my toenails are actually going to be able to stay on with these shoes and so far they aren’t turning purple either. Diane

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been running for about fifteen years.  I started out in Nike Pegasus which worked well but they discontinued them and then every time I found another model I liked Nike discontinued it also after a year or so.  I finally got disgusted with Nike because of this and said, no more Nikes.  I tried Asics but they didn’t seem to provide as much cushioning.  I’m running in new balance now and am pretty satisfied but my feet bother me some.  I suppose I’m considered a heavy runner at six ft and about 175 lbs.  What I’m looking for is the ultimate in cushioning, any suggestions? I am currently running in the new Reebok Premier Road, which is the most cushioned shoe I’ve tried yet. Good arch too, and not TOO high.

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I’ve been running in NB shoes for 20 years, and have always been looking for that "PERFECT SHOE".  This year I am trying out the NB1220 and of all the NB shoes I’ve tried in the past, this is so far the "PERFECT SHOE".  I’m 6ft. 195lb.

No other brands at all? This reminds me of the guy who drives Fords (the Nike of the car world) when you tell him Fords are pieces of shit, he’ll almost always comeback with "Fords are the best car, I know, because I’ve driven nothing but Fords for 30 years now!". Of course having no experience with other car brands made this a useless retort, but that’s lost on the Ford driver. My mechanic said it best when he said "I love Fords, half my business are Fords", and after he said that I began to take notice of the cars waiting for repairs, and sure enough on almost any given day half the cars there are Fords, the other half every other brand of forieghn and domestic car. So are Nikes a good shoe, or do they pay big bucks in advertising dollars? Answer: They suck, but they pay good. Bill R. OO    

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I have just wearing the Reebok Premiere after years of New Balance and love the new Reeboks. The toe box is great, my toenails are actually going to be able to stay on with these shoes and so far they aren’t turning purple either.

Anyone stupid enough to wear any kind of shoe that turns your toes purple is far too ignorant to be giving advice on a running newsgroup. Try a few sizes larger next time… Bill R. OO    

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You’re a fuckin’ idiot.

Please, the rest of your idiotic post is BS too, and you know it. You TROLL! Wrong.  Try built like a football player, etc.  Most of it is muscle, not fat.

Yes, all drunk, fat guys say that. Most add in "This stomach LOOKS like fat, but it’s puuuuuuuuuure muscle!" See dipshit, you’d have to 0′6" tall to not be fat at your stats. Bill R. OO    

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you’d have to 0′6" tall

Substitue 9′6" tall Bill R. OO    

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No other brands at all? This reminds me of the guy who drives Fords (the Nike of the car world) when you tell him Fords are pieces of

        Too bad that logic (like all your drivel) is flawed.  GM is the #1 car company, not Ford. So are Nikes a good shoe, or do they pay big bucks in advertising dollars? Answer: They suck, but they pay good.

        Define suck.  (Besides what you do to another man)

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You’re a fuckin’ idiot. Please, the rest of your idiotic post is BS too, and you know it. You TROLL!

        Sorry, unlike you, I actually contribute meaningful things.   Wrong.  Try built like a football player, etc.  Most of it is muscle, not fat. Yes, all drunk, fat guys say that. Most add in "This stomach LOOKS like fat, but it’s puuuuuuuuuure muscle!" See dipshit, you’d have to 0′6" tall to not be fat at your stats.

        See, you actually do know nothing.  I guess bodybuilders are fat (although I’m not a bodybuilder)?               Shut your pie hole before you make more of an ass out of yourself!

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Your my height and weight. I recommend NB 716. There nice and cushy.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been running for about fifteen years.  I started out in Nike Pegasus which worked well but they discontinued them and then every time I found another model I liked Nike discontinued it also after a year or so.  I finally got disgusted with Nike because of this and said, no more Nikes.  I tried Asics but they didn’t seem to provide as much cushioning.  I’m running in new balance now and am pretty satisfied but my feet bother me some.  I suppose I’m considered a heavy runner at six ft and about 175 lbs.  What I’m looking for is the ultimate in cushioning, any suggestions?

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I’ve been running for about fifteen years.  I started out in Nike Pegasus which worked well but they discontinued them

The Pegasus is still available, if that’s what you want.

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So you will find people here like Ozzie and David that intentionally run in shoes WITHOUT cushioning (I believe David still does his training in racing flats).  I do run some of the time in cushioned trainers (I’m 6′4"/190 and using Adidas Ride right now) but I also do some running barefoot and some on the track each week in spikes (I’m talking the Jasari and sprint spikes, which are the most UNcushioned "running" shoes you can get).   Beware of the law of unintended consequences.  If you THINK you need cushioned shoes, either:   (a) you are being duped by the marketing people from the shoe companies; or   (b) there is something wrong with your running style. Lyndon

Just looked in my closet at the 3 pair of NB’s I’m wearing for training: NB 110 NB RC 210 NB Racewalking 100 I pick up my NB from the return rack at Road Runner Sports  here in San Diego.  Allows me to pay about half of the going price on these returns. I gut the shoe and put in the plain Spenco neophrene insole without arch or anything else.  Also I’ve been running bare socked for 20 plus years.  All my training runs and the last 50 or 60 of my marathons are run without socks. For me the issue is about running style rather than the shoes. In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running:   http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-faq/

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I don’t know about your supplier but here in Ontario the Reebok’s also have a 30 day guarantee for return no matter where you have worn them. I also recieved a message from someone who is now blocked from my list but when I run 20+ km my toenails always have a problem and right now I am in an 8.5 men’s shoe, ( 1.5 sizes up from my regular) which has helped alot. Have a great day!! D.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just wearing the Reebok Premiere after years of New Balance and love the new Reeboks. The toe box is great, my toenails are actually going to be able to stay on with these shoes and so far they aren’t turning purple either. Diane I’ve been running for about fifteen years.  I started out in Nike Pegasus which worked well but they discontinued them and then every time I found another model I liked Nike discontinued it also after a year or so.  I finally got disgusted with Nike because of this and said, no more Nikes.  I tried Asics but they didn’t seem to provide as much cushioning.  I’m running in new balance now and am pretty satisfied but my feet bother me some.  I suppose I’m considered a heavy runner at six ft and about 175 lbs.  What I’m looking for is the ultimate in cushioning, any suggestions? I am currently running in the new Reebok Premier Road, which is the most cushioned shoe I’ve tried yet. Good arch too, and not TOO high.

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I’ve been running for about fifteen years.  I started out in Nike Pegasus which worked well but they discontinued them and then every time I found another model I liked Nike discontinued it also after a year or so.  I finally got disgusted with Nike because of this and said, no more Nikes.  I tried Asics but they didn’t seem to provide as much cushioning.  I’m running in new balance now and am pretty satisfied but my feet bother me some.  I suppose I’m considered a heavy runner at six ft and about 175 lbs.  What I’m looking for is the ultimate in cushioning, any suggestions?

You should reconsider your premise–that cushioning is good for you.  The cushioning does not actually absorb energy (i.e. cushion).  It simply changes the frequency dynamic, but if you run with improper form, the energy still gets to your knees and hips. Heavily cushioned shoes with built-up heels also encourage certain muscles in your feet to atrophy, with negative effects from the standpoint of staying healthy.  One researcher has found that expensive shoes (i.e., the most heavily cushioned) cause significantly more injuries than the "old" style that cost a lot less (and the Nike marketing people would like to hang him). So you will find people here like Ozzie and David that intentionally run in shoes WITHOUT cushioning (I believe David still does his training in racing flats).  I do run some of the time in cushioned trainers (I’m 6′4"/190 and using Adidas Ride right now) but I also do some running barefoot and some on the track each week in spikes (I’m talking the Jasari and sprint spikes, which are the most UNcushioned "running" shoes you can get).   Beware of the law of unintended consequences.  If you THINK you need cushioned shoes, either:   (a) you are being duped by the marketing people from the shoe companies; or   (b) there is something wrong with your running style. Lyndon "Speed Kills…It kills those that don’t have it!"  –US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

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?            You may want to look at the Shox

You dumbass. Nearly everyone agrees these are pure shit, but leave it to you to recommend a dangerous shoe to an unsuspecting person. Good luck buying a new pair every 100 miles (if your lucky.) they were recently given Editors choice by Runners World

Gee let’s see… how does RW make money? Advertising dollars. Now who is RW biggest advertising account? Nike. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure that article out. These are some of the most unstable shoes on the market today. and have gotten great reviews from most that wear them.

You and your cousin/wife Becky aren’t really "everyone" because they have been completely ripped apart on this newsgroup, and several others. I fit the profile quite well (260lbs, neutral runner).

So you’re a big, fat, overweight slob, who jogs a couple of miles to shake up the rolls of your chins, and were supposed to take advice from a know-nothing like you? Ha! As far as the drivel by bill (ass) rodgers, take it all with a grain of salt.

Yours is best taken with LSD (the drug, not exercise) because you’ve got to be stoned or stupid to listen to your drivel. Bill R. OO    

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You’ll hate this answer, but the Nike full shox is very soft. It has ten springs in the sole.  You pay for it too. Retail price is $150, about double the new Pegasus.

You can twice the shoe for half the money in any other popular brand. Bill R. OO    

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You dumbass. Nearly everyone agrees these are pure shit, but leave it to you to recommend a dangerous shoe to an unsuspecting person. Good luck buying a new pair every 100 miles (if your lucky.)

        You’re a fuckin’ idiot.  Please tell me who nearly everyone is.  And your mom/wife/sister (after all they’re the same person) don’t count.         Also, who says they are "dangerous"?  Please….Your credenials as a podiatrist or a shoe designer, please.  Didn’t think so. Gee let’s see… how does RW make money? Advertising dollars. Now who is RW biggest advertising account? Nike. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure that article out. These are some of the most unstable shoes on the market today.

        Let’s see, the head reviewer likes them, people who wear them like them, wear testers like them, I guess they must be shit then.  And, FYI RW has given Editors choice to NB, Asics, Mizuno, etc, so your "theory" (like everything else from your pie hole) is pure BS.           For many they work well.  It’s been proven that they have some of the best cushioning out there. You and your cousin/wife Becky aren’t really "everyone" because they have been completely ripped apart on this newsgroup, and several others.

        By who?  You? Who else?  They work well for some.  Actually, if you were over in RW’s forums, you’d notice that they actually reccomend Mizuno quite a bit.  Please tell how they have been "ripped apart". So you’re a big, fat, overweight slob, who jogs a couple of miles to shake up the rolls of your chins, and were supposed to take advice from a know-nothing like you? Ha!

        Wrong.  Try built like a football player, etc.  Most of it is muscle, not fat.

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I’ve been running for about fifteen years.  I started out in Nike Pegasus which worked well but they discontinued them and then every time I found another model I liked Nike discontinued it also after a year or so.  I finally got disgusted with Nike because of this and said, no more Nikes.  I tried Asics but they didn’t seem to provide as much cushioning.  I’m running in new balance now and am pretty satisfied but my feet bother me some.  I suppose I’m considered a heavy runner at six ft and about 175 lbs.  What I’m looking for is the ultimate in cushioning, any suggestions?

I’ve been running in NB shoes for 20 years, and have always been looking for that "PERFECT SHOE".  This year I am trying out the NB1220 and of all the NB shoes I’ve tried in the past, this is so far the "PERFECT SHOE".  I’m 6ft. 195lb. Kelly Lee

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I’ve been running for about fifteen years.  I started out in Nike Pegasus which worked well but they discontinued them and then every time I found another model I liked Nike discontinued it also after a year or so.  I finally got disgusted with Nike because of this and said, no more Nikes.  I tried Asics but they didn’t seem to provide as much cushioning.  I’m running in new balance now and am pretty satisfied but my feet bother me some.  I suppose I’m considered a heavy runner at six ft and about 175 lbs.  What I’m looking for is the ultimate in cushioning, any suggestions?

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I finally got disgusted with Nike because of this and said, no more Nikes.

Good move, Nikes suck. I tried Asics but they didn’t seem to provide as much cushioning.  

"Seem to provide" is the key. Although stiffer feeling than most Nikes, Asics probably provides far more protection to your feet. Cushioning is responsible for an awful lot of injuries because cushioning equals instability, ESPECIALLY in Nikes. NB feel like they have a marble under my feet, but some people like them. Go to a good running store with qualified people. Bill R. OO    

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I like the Saucony Grid Web. YMMV. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been running for about fifteen years.  I started out in Nike Pegasus which worked well but they discontinued them and then every time I found another model I liked Nike discontinued it also after a year or so.  I finally got disgusted with Nike because of this and said, no more Nikes.  I tried Asics but they didn’t seem to provide as much cushioning.  I’m running in new balance now and am pretty satisfied but my feet bother me some.  I suppose I’m considered a heavy runner at six ft and about 175 lbs.  What I’m looking for is the ultimate in cushioning, any suggestions?

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satisfied but my feet bother me some.  I suppose I’m considered a heavy runner at six ft and about 175 lbs.  What I’m looking for is the ultimate in cushioning, any suggestions?

        You may want to look at the Shox – they were recently given Editors choice by Runners World and have gotten great reviews from most that wear them.  I picked up a pair of the older version at a Nike outlet and they are one of the best shoes I’ve worn, as I fit the profile quite well (260lbs, neutral runner).         As far as the drivel by bill (ass) rodgers, take it all with a grain of salt.

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I’ve been running for about fifteen years.  I started out in Nike Pegasus which worked well but they discontinued them and then every time I found another model I liked Nike discontinued it also after a year or so.  I finally got disgusted with Nike because of this and said, no more Nikes.  I tried Asics but they didn’t seem to provide as much cushioning.  I’m running in new balance now and am pretty satisfied but my feet bother me some.  I suppose I’m considered a heavy runner at six ft and about 175 lbs.  What I’m looking for is the ultimate in cushioning, any suggestions?

I am currently running in the new Reebok Premier Road, which is the most cushioned shoe I’ve tried yet. Good arch too, and not TOO high.

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Oops, forgot to check on my user name after last re-config!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been running for about fifteen years.  I started out in Nike Pegasus which worked well but they discontinued them and then every time I found another model I liked Nike discontinued it also after a year or so.  I finally got disgusted with Nike because of this and said, no more Nikes.  I tried Asics but they didn’t seem to provide as much cushioning.  I’m running in new balance now and am pretty satisfied but my feet bother me some.  I suppose I’m considered a heavy runner at six ft and about 175 lbs.  What I’m looking for is the ultimate in cushioning, any suggestions? I am currently running in the new Reebok Premier Road, which is the most cushioned shoe I’ve tried yet. Good arch too, and not TOO high.

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You’ll hate this answer, but the Nike full shox is very soft. It has ten springs in the sole.  You pay for it too. Retail price is $150, about double the new Pegasus.

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I’ve been running for about fifteen years.  I started out in Nike Pegasus which worked well but they discontinued them and then every time I found another model I liked Nike discontinued it also after a year or so.  I finally got disgusted with Nike because of this and said, no more Nikes.

Nike makes slight changes to the models in their Bowerman line of shoes every 2 years. Generally speaking they also have the softest midsoles out there too. Jim Johnson

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