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I am a sever supinator (sounds kinda kinky?) and I prefer the Air Max Triax.  I try and bypass the political stuff cause my feet love them.  I found stretching to be the answer for my shin problems.  No stretch=major pain later that night.  I might try switching to Adidas for 1 pair but we’ll see how they feel.

I’m also a supinator (and forefoot striker) and got a fracture in my foot  running in those pieces of garbage (Air Max Triax).  My podiatrist told me it  was caused by a shoe without adequate midfoot cushioning.   I’m sure many on  this newsgroup would agree that nike’s about the worst out there (and not just  the political stuff).  Had NO problems after switching to Adidas. Nike SUCKS!

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Nike SUCKS!

 That’s quite an ironic statement given your email alias Later, Ducchi Quan     Northwestern School of Law Chicago, IL

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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I run in both the Adidas Ozweego 2 and the Brooks Radius SC and like them both.  I’m a neutral runner and weigh 155#.  In fact I’ve ordered the Asics Gel Lytes too.  I have not had any shin problems, although I do notice that when the cushioning of my shoes start to go flat, my shins may be a little sore during my runs.  I take it as a hint to start looking at replacing them. I have also had good experience with Asics 126, 2020 and DS Trainers.  It seems that so long as I buy large enough sized shoes, I can run in pretty much any cushioned or stability shoe, and enjoy the cushioned, light weight shoes the most. Matt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, here is my first follow-up to finding shoes for the underpronator/supinator. hope this will help some people as several requested that i post a follow-up. Background: i have fairly high arched feet, but not so high that the front and rear of the foot separate with a "wet print test" (about 3/4 inch at the narrowest point). i underpronate (wear the outside portion of my shoes…a bit more severe on the right side) Concerns: shin problems…this is pain on the outside of the shins…the best shoe i had found thus far was the Grid Twister where my shin problems have gone away; however, i am on a quest for a better shoe since the Twisters don’t fit all that well on my feet…a little bit narrow in the toe-box area, and also a bit short (heightwise).  I wanted a fit like the Asics shoes i had owned in the past (DS-Trainers and 2010s)  maybe it’s the nice form fitting upper and lacing system? Shoes tried thus far: New Balance 876, Asics Galileo, Saucony Grid Twister, Asics DS-Trainers Results: Grid Twister: see above…still the best shoe of the bunch since i don’t have shin problems even on 20 mile runs (trying a marathon in them this weekend!) Asics Galileo: didn’t really get try the cushioning out on these since the fit was horrible….VERY short heightwise in the forefoot and hence, it cut off circulation in my foot. New Balance 876: very roomy and felt a bit bulky; shin problems after only 2 miles of running…i think the major problem is that the sole is way too stiff so i can’t flex my foot before i land (heel-ball method) so the stiff sole forces me to "slap" my foot on the ground. Asics DS-Trainers: what can i say, my feet love them, but my shins don’t…however, these, despite there supposedly stiffer/lesser cushioning are better than the New Balance since the sole is flexible enough for me to land properly. so…what next…well, i plan to stick with the Twisters on my marathon and will probably buy another pair for at least half of my running (because at least my shins will be happy)…from what i gather, there are really only 2 more shoes left for me to try: Adidas Ozweego 2 and Brooks Radius SC and maybe Asics Gel-Lyte (i’m not sure if the rigid gel cushioning will be adequate even without the medial post) anyone have thoughts on these two shoes? conclusions: i’ve determined i need a shoe with a soft ride, no medial post, and flexible sole…my foot is fairly curved, but the semi-curved last of the Asics seems adequate…just need better cushioning. aside: I have tried Nike shoes (Air Max Triax) : decent cushioning (not as good as Saucony) and very tight forefoot fit + other potential political issues with buying their products… ok, please send/post feedback, etc. regards, Derek MIT/WHOI Joint Program in Oceanography  http://gusty.whoi.edu/thewho.html "Shall we the people never come home?  For after all we’ve been, are  the dreams to come after"  -Dar Williams

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Ok, here is my first follow-up to finding shoes for the underpronator/supinator. hope this will help some people as several requested that i post a follow-up. Background: i have fairly high arched feet, but not so high that the front and rear of the foot separate with a "wet print test" (about 3/4 inch at the narrowest point). i underpronate (wear the outside portion of my shoes…a bit more severe on the right side) Concerns: shin problems…this is pain on the outside of the shins…the best shoe i had found thus far was the Grid Twister where my shin problems have gone away; however, i am on a quest for a better shoe since the Twisters don’t fit all that well on my feet…a little bit narrow in the toe-box area, and also a bit short (heightwise).  I wanted a fit like the Asics shoes i had owned in the past (DS-Trainers and 2010s)  maybe it’s the nice form fitting upper and lacing system? Shoes tried thus far: New Balance 876, Asics Galileo, Saucony Grid Twister, Asics DS-Trainers Results: Grid Twister: see above…still the best shoe of the bunch since i don’t have shin problems even on 20 mile runs (trying a marathon in them this weekend!) Asics Galileo: didn’t really get try the cushioning out on these since the fit was horrible….VERY short heightwise in the forefoot and hence, it cut off circulation in my foot. New Balance 876: very roomy and felt a bit bulky; shin problems after only 2 miles of running…i think the major problem is that the sole is way too stiff so i can’t flex my foot before i land (heel-ball method) so the stiff sole forces me to "slap" my foot on the ground. Asics DS-Trainers: what can i say, my feet love them, but my shins don’t…however, these, despite there supposedly stiffer/lesser cushioning are better than the New Balance since the sole is flexible enough for me to land properly. so…what next…well, i plan to stick with the Twisters on my marathon and will probably buy another pair for at least half of my running (because at least my shins will be happy)…from what i gather, there are really only 2 more shoes left for me to try: Adidas Ozweego 2 and Brooks Radius SC and maybe Asics Gel-Lyte (i’m not sure if the rigid gel cushioning will be adequate even without the medial post) anyone have thoughts on these two shoes? conclusions: i’ve determined i need a shoe with a soft ride, no medial post, and flexible sole…my foot is fairly curved, but the semi-curved last of the Asics seems adequate…just need better cushioning. aside: I have tried Nike shoes (Air Max Triax) : decent cushioning (not as good as Saucony) and very tight forefoot fit + other potential political issues with buying their products… ok, please send/post feedback, etc. regards, Derek MIT/WHOI Joint Program in Oceanography  http://gusty.whoi.edu/thewho.html "Shall we the people never come home?  For after all we’ve been, are  the dreams to come after"  -Dar Williams

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Adidas Ozweego 2 and Brooks Radius SC and maybe Asics Gel-Lyte (i’m not sure if the rigid gel cushioning will be adequate even without the medial post) anyone have thoughts on these two shoes?

Brooks Radius SC: I was dissappointed with them (compared to predecessor, Radius), but now that I have over 100 miles on them I’m starting to smile. They were a bit ‘less-cushy’ then the Radius. But, the radius became downright mushy after 200(guess) miles. The SC is of much better construction, and the cushioing has softened a bit and become excellent. It also has that Asics fit, EXCEPT it does not have that  pinch in the forefoot. Good shoe! Can’t help on Gel-Lyte. Always have hated them. Too narrow in the forefoot and a defective Gel-pad caused (I believe) the onset of Morton’s Neuroma. Other than that, no problem. conclusions: i’ve determined i need a shoe with a soft ride, no medial post, and flexible sole…my foot is fairly curved, but the semi-curved last of the Asics seems adequate…just need better cushioning.

Radius SC : soft ride(after a few miles), no medial post, flexible to the Nth degree, and SC, slip lasted. Check out New Balance 876 also. Similar setup. Felt really good in-store, but I didn’t buy, just yet. aside: I have tried Nike shoes (Air Max Triax) : decent cushioning (not as good as Saucony) and very tight forefoot fit + other potential political issues with buying their products…

Nike – yuk! Personal opinion, not political. The blowouts I’ve had (in ok, please send/post feedback, etc. regards, Derek

Cheers, Denny A(nderson)

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