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I agree the Nike Streaks are awesome shoes. They are quite light, fast and smooth with surprising cushioning and support for such a light racing flat. Although I only get about 200 miles out of them and am on my 3rd pair.

I rest my case! You Fing people JUST DON’T GET IT, do you? How thick do you have to be? 200 miles IS A JOKE! AND you paid a ridiculously high price for them on top of it! Somehow I just know you’re trying to reelect the chimp to the white house too. All this Nike bashing is so juvenile and dumb. I compare it to people hating the Lakers or Yankees. Does anyone hate Brooks shoes or the Bengals or Clippers?

Then you’re not paying attention, because you just proved my case that nikes are cheap crap. I think the Air Streaks are the fastest shoes I’ve ever worn. I just wore out my first pair and am working on the second. I should be due for a new pair soon.

And another, and another, and another. I’ll still be wearing my same pair of Asics bought for 1/3 less money.

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More lies??? You just dig yourself deeper with every post, don’t you? You aren’t even a GOOD liar. Shall I pull up direct quotes by you on buying "2 or 3 pairs a year", and "swapping out shoes frequently", as well as the fact you don’t do enough total miles to be considered a distance runner anyways. Nikes work for you because you don’t run enough miles for it to matter. First learn to run little boy, then learn to be a better liar, and maybe we’ll let you play with us big boys someday. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just wore out my first pair and am working on the second. Hmm, you sure aren’t a very good liar, are you? In one post you talk about how long they last you, then in the next you tell us you buy 2 or 3 pairs a year. Call me any insult for preferring Nike all you want. I don’t give a shit because they work for me. Call me a liar and you piss me off. Since you’re interested I bought my first pair of Nike Air Streaks in 1997 (I remember the first race I ran in them). I’ve used that pair of shoes for races for close to 7 years. That is about 100 miles of racing per year. I bought the second pair of Streaks (that I’m now using) 2 years after that which means that pair is 5 years old. I used them for track workouts and muddy races. 7 years for a pair of shoes sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Before you call people liars remember that you are a fucked up asshole who really needs help. And remember I don’t lie so you really are a fucked up asshole. Andy

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When a troll answers a troll, it there anything BUT noise?

I couldn’t hear anything. Maybe they cancel eachother out. Phil M. — "Do, or do not. There is no try."  -Yoda

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No discussion on the latest study that says that nike wearers are 70% more likely to suffer ankle and knee injuries, than wearers of other brands? I thought it would be big news on here.

This above statistic, if true, make perfect sense.  The statistic may be more about the people buying the shoes than the shoes themselves. Nike does a lot of advertising to the general public (who are mostly non-runners).  Non-runners are more likely to become injured when buying a shoe, maybe for fashion reasons, and then going out without training and pretending to be the athletes and models in the advertisements. Thus the statistic on injury could be completely true even if Nike shoes were equal or better to the other brands in terms of ankle and knee health when models appropriate for their intended use are choosen by knowledgeable runners.  That’s because most of the injuries may be to people who don’t know what they’re doing, but buy Nike shoes more often than other brands because of the relative sizes of their advertising budgets. See the book "How to Lie with Statistics" for related stuff. IMHO. YMMV. — Ron Nicholson   rhn AT nicholson DOT com   http://www.nicholson.com/rhn/ #include <canonical.disclaimer        // only my own opinions, etc.

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I just wore out my first pair and am working on the second. Hmm, you sure aren’t a very good liar, are you? In one post you talk about how long they last you, then in the next you tell us you buy 2 or 3 pairs a year.

Call me any insult for preferring Nike all you want. I don’t give a shit because they work for me. Call me a liar and you piss me off. Since you’re interested I bought my first pair of Nike Air Streaks in 1997 (I remember the first race I ran in them). I’ve used that pair of shoes for races for close to 7 years. That is about 100 miles of racing per year. I bought the second pair of Streaks (that I’m now using) 2 years after that which means that pair is 5 years old. I used them for track workouts and muddy races. 7 years for a pair of shoes sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Before you call people liars remember that you are a fucked up asshole who really needs help. And remember I don’t lie so you really are a fucked up asshole. Andy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re nothing but a troll. Everytime this subject comes up you post this crap. Considering the posts run 20 saying they suck, to your 1, I’d say you are just a wee troll, or just an ignorant dipshit. No discussion on the latest study that says that nike wearers are 70% more likely to suffer ankle and knee injuries, than wearers of other brands? I thought it would be big news on here. Or is it just because I’ve been saying this for years? As for me Nike rocks! I love their shoes. I tried Ascics and found them to pale in comparison, they were ok but nowhere near as good. My Nike Zoom Elite shoes are lightweight, responsive and feel great to run in. My Nike Pegasus are such a smooth shoe. They too are responsive and comfortable for my long runs. There isn’t a pr I haven’t run in my Nike Air Streaks. That is a shoe that is just plain fast. I’ll post when I get a Nike shoe related injury. Studies make it easy to find what one wants to find. Andy

When a troll answers a troll, it there anything BUT noise? Philosophy on the Run.

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Anyway, they didn’t have the Nikes in my size,

Why? Why? Why? Do you like injuries? Like paying a 1/3 more than you have to? Like wearing cheaply made trash on your feet? but I’ve asked for a quote on some Mizunos.  I’ll let you know how much!

I guarantee you won’t go back to nikes. You know what they say "once you go Asics,(insert Mizuno in there) you won’t go back".

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just where is this link to the study that says that nike users have a 70% chance of suffering ankle and knee injuries. now i am not nor have i ever been a nike user. however i have friends who are very serious competitive runners as well as being loyal to the brand since it’s inception. yet none of my friends have suffered from injuries to any greater extent from those who have not been nike wearers. i do have to question the motives behind this so called study. granted nike does make some really crappy shoes as does every other maker of running shoes. in my opinion they are really no better nor no worse than the other brands that are on the market today.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No discussion on the latest study that says that nike wearers are 70% more likely to suffer ankle and knee injuries, than wearers of other brands? I thought it would be big news on here. Or is it just because I’ve been saying this for years? As for me Nike rocks! I love their shoes. I tried Ascics and found them to pale in comparison, they were ok but nowhere near as good. My Nike Zoom Elite shoes are lightweight, responsive and feel great to run in. My Nike Pegasus are such a smooth shoe. They too are responsive and comfortable for my long runs. There isn’t a pr I haven’t run in my Nike Air Streaks. That is a shoe that is just plain fast. I haven’t had the chance to run in Zoom Elite (too expensive) but I thought the Pegasus were very good shoes, and I have worn out two pairs of Air Streaks (I use them for fast training as well as racing).  Bill needs to differentiate between vanilla Nike and the Bowerman range, which are just as good as his beloved Asics (I just bought a pair of Asics DS which are pretty damn good). Edward — The reading group’s reading group: http://www.bookgroup.org.uk

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I haven’t had the chance to run in Zoom Elite (too expensive) but I

You can get these discounted at rrs now. Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No discussion on the latest study that says that nike wearers are 70% more likely to suffer ankle and knee injuries, than wearers of other brands? I thought it would be big news on here. Or is it just because I’ve been saying this for years? As for me Nike rocks! I love their shoes. I tried Ascics and found them to pale in comparison, they were ok but nowhere near as good. My Nike Zoom Elite shoes are lightweight, responsive and feel great to run in. My Nike Pegasus are such a smooth shoe. They too are responsive and comfortable for my long runs. There isn’t a pr I haven’t run in my Nike Air Streaks. That is a shoe that is just plain fast. I haven’t had the chance to run in Zoom Elite (too expensive) but I thought the Pegasus were very good shoes, and I have worn out two pairs of Air Streaks (I use them for fast training as well as racing).

I think the Air Streaks are the fastest shoes I’ve ever worn. I just wore out my first pair and am working on the second. I should be due for a new pair soon. Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Bill needs to differentiate between vanilla Nike and the Bowerman range, which are just as good as his beloved Asics (I just bought a pair of Asics DS which are pretty damn good). Edward —   The reading group’s reading group: http://www.bookgroup.org.uk

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 I haven’t had the chance to run in Zoom Elite (too expensive)

They ALL are too expensive. You are wasting money on nikes. You can get more shoe for a 1/3 less money. P.T. Barnum knew your birthday. but I thought the Pegasus were very good shoes, and I have worn out two pairs of Air Streaks (I use them for fast training as well as racing). I think the Air Streaks are the fastest shoes I’ve ever worn. I just wore out my first pair and am working on the second. I should be due for a new pair soon. Andy

 So you lil wuussies, what kind of mileage do you put in per week? (I feel squeals of laughter coming on)

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I haven’t had the chance to run in Zoom Elite (too expensive) but I You can get these discounted at rrs now. Cheers,

Thanks for the pointer, but I’m from the UK and don’t know rrs.  The best that Google could do was rrs.com, which didn’t seem to fit the bill.  Can you post a URL, please? Ta Edward — The reading group’s reading group: http://www.bookgroup.org.uk

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I haven’t had the chance to run in Zoom Elite (too expensive) but I You can get these discounted at rrs now. Cheers, Thanks for the pointer, but I’m from the UK and don’t know rrs.  The best that Google could do was rrs.com, which didn’t seem to fit the bill.  Can you post a URL, please?

www.roadrunnersports.com They do ship internationally though it could be expensive. — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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I just wore out my first pair and am working on the second.

Hmm, you sure aren’t a very good liar, are you? In one post you talk about how long they last you, then in the next you tell us you buy 2 or 3 pairs a year.

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I agree the Nike Streaks are awesome shoes. They are quite light, fast and smooth with surprising cushioning and support for such a light racing flat. Although I only get about 200 miles out of them and am on my 3rd pair. All this Nike bashing is so juvenile and dumb. I compare it to people hating the Lakers or Yankees. Does anyone hate Brooks shoes or the Bengals or Clippers? I’ve had Nikes that sucked and Nikes that were awesome. Had the same experience with Adidas and Asics. You just have to find what works for you and purchase a bunch of them or hope the replacement model won’t change too much next year. Adidas just pissed me off "updating" the Rotterdam to the Rotterdam II. Changing a nice smooth, fairly lightweight trainer into a shoe with horrible transistion between heel and toe. (But I can’t wait to get a pair of their new Adios). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think the Air Streaks are the fastest shoes I’ve ever worn. I just wore out my first pair and am working on the second. I should be due for a new pair soon.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I haven’t had the chance to run in Zoom Elite (too expensive) but I You can get these discounted at rrs now. Cheers, Thanks for the pointer, but I’m from the UK and don’t know rrs.  The best that Google could do was rrs.com, which didn’t seem to fit the bill.  Can you post a URL, please? www.roadrunnersports.com They do ship internationally though it could be expensive.

That is a really good site – for a start, you can search by available shoe size! Anyway, they didn’t have the Nikes in my size, but I’ve asked for a quote on some Mizunos.  I’ll let you know how much! Thanks for the info. Edward —   The reading group’s reading group: http://www.bookgroup.org.uk

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No discussion on the latest study that says that nike wearers are 70% more likely to suffer ankle and knee injuries, than wearers of other brands? I thought it would be big news on here. Or is it just because I’ve been saying this for years? As for me Nike rocks! I love their shoes. I tried Ascics and found them to pale in comparison, they were ok but nowhere near as good. My Nike Zoom Elite shoes are lightweight, responsive and feel great to run in. My Nike Pegasus are such a smooth shoe. They too are responsive and comfortable for my long runs. There isn’t a pr I haven’t run in my Nike Air Streaks. That is a shoe that is just plain fast.

I haven’t had the chance to run in Zoom Elite (too expensive) but I thought the Pegasus were very good shoes, and I have worn out two pairs of Air Streaks (I use them for fast training as well as racing).  Bill needs to differentiate between vanilla Nike and the Bowerman range, which are just as good as his beloved Asics (I just bought a pair of Asics DS which are pretty damn good). Edward —   The reading group’s reading group: http://www.bookgroup.org.uk

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P.S. Your idiotic comment about Asics (one of the most reputable, well made, and highly thought-of brands on the market today)really shows you for the troll you are. Like we said before, there’s a sucker born every minute, you’re it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No discussion on the latest study that says that nike wearers are 70% more likely to suffer ankle and knee injuries, than wearers of other brands? I thought it would be big news on here. Or is it just because I’ve been saying this for years? As for me Nike rocks! I love their shoes. I tried Ascics and found them to pale in comparison, they were ok but nowhere near as good. My Nike Zoom Elite shoes are lightweight, responsive and feel great to run in. My Nike Pegasus are such a smooth shoe. They too are responsive and comfortable for my long runs. There isn’t a pr I haven’t run in my Nike Air Streaks. That is a shoe that is just plain fast. I’ll post when I get a Nike shoe related injury. Studies make it easy to find what one wants to find. Andy

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You’re nothing but a troll. Everytime this subject comes up you post this crap. Considering the posts run 20 saying they suck, to your 1, I’d say you are just a wee troll, or just an ignorant dipshit. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No discussion on the latest study that says that nike wearers are 70% more likely to suffer ankle and knee injuries, than wearers of other brands? I thought it would be big news on here. Or is it just because I’ve been saying this for years? As for me Nike rocks! I love their shoes. I tried Ascics and found them to pale in comparison, they were ok but nowhere near as good. My Nike Zoom Elite shoes are lightweight, responsive and feel great to run in. My Nike Pegasus are such a smooth shoe. They too are responsive and comfortable for my long runs. There isn’t a pr I haven’t run in my Nike Air Streaks. That is a shoe that is just plain fast. I’ll post when I get a Nike shoe related injury. Studies make it easy to find what one wants to find. Andy

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No discussion on the latest study that says that nike wearers are 70% more likely to suffer ankle and knee injuries, than wearers of other brands? I thought it would be big news on here. Or is it just because I’ve been saying this for years?

As for me Nike rocks! I love their shoes. I tried Ascics and found them to pale in comparison, they were ok but nowhere near as good. My Nike Zoom Elite shoes are lightweight, responsive and feel great to run in. My Nike Pegasus are such a smooth shoe. They too are responsive and comfortable for my long runs. There isn’t a pr I haven’t run in my Nike Air Streaks. That is a shoe that is just plain fast. I’ll post when I get a Nike shoe related injury. Studies make it easy to find what one wants to find. Andy

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No discussion on the latest study that says that nike wearers are 70% more likely to suffer ankle and knee injuries, than wearers of other brands? I thought it would be big news on here. Or is it just because I’ve been saying this for years?

Feel free to point us to this study. I’m just dying to see the metrics. -DF

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What do you think the reason is? The design of the shoe or the mentality of the people who wear them?

Interesting question, I’m not sure, but probably a bit of both. I guess people who’d be fooled by hype and advertising blitz’s, as well as "how they look" (some jerk commented on how my running shoes, my ‘mudders’, would look to others with silicon on them? Like I give a shit how I look when i’m up to my knees in mud) are probably more concerned with the name than the design or quality of the shoe. I admit they make a few decent shoes, but even those are far overpriced compared to other, more durable brands, and simply are not a quality made shoe. Then of course there are those born with the golden spoon, who get a boner by spending more money than they need to. Nike’s brandname will get them a greater share of people who haven’t got a clue what they’re doing.

Absolutely true! I’m sure about 98% of nike running shoes sold, never get more than a quick jog to the fridge for some chilled wine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No discussion on the latest study that says that nike wearers are 70% more likely to suffer ankle and knee injuries, than wearers of other brands? I thought it would be big news on here. Or is it just because I’ve been saying this for years?

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I saw that study, very credible. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No discussion on the latest study that says that nike wearers are 70% more likely to suffer ankle and knee injuries, than wearers of other brands? I thought it would be big news on here. Or is it just because I’ve been saying this for years?

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What do you think the reason is? The design of the shoe or the mentality of the people who wear them? Nike’s brandname will get them a greater share of people who haven’t got a clue what they’re doing.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No discussion on the latest study that says that nike wearers are 70% more likely to suffer ankle and knee injuries, than wearers of other brands? I thought it would be big news on here. Or is it just because I’ve been saying this for years?

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No discussion on the latest study that says that nike wearers are 70% more likely to suffer ankle and knee injuries, than wearers of other brands? I thought it would be big news on here. Or is it just because I’ve been saying this for years?

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